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"Defenders of democracies" live in democracies. Defenders of dictatorships and monarchies, from Jeremy Corbyn (who had kind words for Castro) to neoreactionarie

by _yosefk 10y ago

"Defenders of democracies" live in democracies. Defenders of dictatorships and monarchies, from Jeremy Corbyn (who had kind words for Castro) to neoreactionaries, also live in democracies, presumably because they're not actually stupid enough to believe what they say. Democracy is a lesser evil, which many people born into it fail to appreciate because their imagination does not render the greater evils realistically.

zigzigzag 10y ago
Excellent comment, especially the last part.
fiatjaf 10y ago
Is there anyway to prove you wrong? Or is what you just said the absolute immutable truth forever? Because I have the impression that there's nothing I can say that will make you consider my arguments -- as I live in a democracy --, or to even think about them -- as you also live in a democracy, and as you seem to have accepted as a principle that "democracy is a lesser evil".
- _yosefk 10y ago
  Of course you can prove me wrong or more precisely convince me I'm wrong (proofs are hard with these things.) Just show me enough monarchies or dictatorships fending off immigrants from established democracies instead of shooting would-be emigrants in their backs. It also so happens that I'm dumb enough to have wasted time listening to arguments from neoreactionaries living in democracies and thinking about them. But mainly I think the test should be empirical.
ue_ 10y ago
>Defenders of dictatorships and monarchies, from Jeremy Corbyn (who had kind words for Castro) What gives you the impression that Corbyn is against democracy? In fact, he participates in the 'democratic' system of his own party and of the UK. I personally refuse to participate at all in the bourgeois democracy, but that doesn't mean I'm against democracy as a principle.
- _yosefk 10y ago
  I only said he had praise for Castro, a dictator whose soldiers shot people trying to escape his rule in thd back and drowned their boats. I didn't say he was against democracy, only that he said very nice things about a dictatorship that he sure isn't dumb enough to live under.

by _yosefk 10y ago

zigzigzag 10y ago

Excellent comment, especially the last part.

fiatjaf 10y ago

Is there anyway to prove you wrong? Or is what you just said the absolute immutable truth forever? Because I have the impression that there's nothing I can say that will make you consider my arguments -- as I live in a democracy --, or to even think about them -- as you also live in a democracy, and as you seem to have accepted as a principle that "democracy is a lesser evil".

_yosefk 10y ago
Of course you can prove me wrong or more precisely convince me I'm wrong (proofs are hard with these things.) Just show me enough monarchies or dictatorships fending off immigrants from established democracies instead of shooting would-be emigrants in their backs. It also so happens that I'm dumb enough to have wasted time listening to arguments from neoreactionaries living in democracies and thinking about them. But mainly I think the test should be empirical.

ue_ 10y ago

>Defenders of dictatorships and monarchies, from Jeremy Corbyn (who had kind words for Castro) What gives you the impression that Corbyn is against democracy? In fact, he participates in the 'democratic' system of his own party and of the UK. I personally refuse to participate at all in the bourgeois democracy, but that doesn't mean I'm against democracy as a principle.

_yosefk 10y ago
I only said he had praise for Castro, a dictator whose soldiers shot people trying to escape his rule in thd back and drowned their boats. I didn't say he was against democracy, only that he said very nice things about a dictatorship that he sure isn't dumb enough to live under.