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...And then, after slaughtering those people and years of insularity, nationalism, and populism... what's going to be left, but for those insular nations to fig

by M_Grey 10y ago

...And then, after slaughtering those people and years of insularity, nationalism, and populism... what's going to be left, but for those insular nations to fight over remaining resources? I can't see a nuclear nation shrugging and saying, "Well I guess we're conquered! Here are the keys..."

chongli 10y ago
Using a nuke to fight off a tide of refugees is like bringing a grenade to a fist fight. Do you think the people who are already here are going to tolerate the wholesale slaughter of their family members who are trying to rejoin them? What about all of their friends? No. If we don't find some way to rescue everybody we will be torn apart by civil war.
- lmz 10y ago
  Sounds like a good argument to not let even one of them in.
  - chongli 10y ago
    You must must've missed the part where I mentioned that they are already here. They are us. We aren't going to be able to pull up the ladder. People will try, though, and it will get very ugly, very fast.
    - M_Grey 10y ago
      Exactly, and then there will be war.
    - lmz 10y ago
      If by "here" you mean North America and Western Europe then yes, they will pay the price for their diversity. Places like Japan and China that people say are "xenophobic" might turn out to have the better survival strategy.
- M_Grey 10y ago
  Using a nuke to fight off a tide of refugees is like bringing a grenade to a fist fight. Yeah, or firebombing a defeated nation. Who would do such a thing? Oh right... humanity.
int_19h 10y ago
Of course not. But do understand that we're talking about large scale warfare here. Even if you're willing to set moral issues aside, it's not going to be cheap. Those who want to isolate their countries from "third world problems" are going to pay for it in cold hard cash. Thus, even they cannot truly claim to be unaffected.

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...And then, after slaughtering those people and years of insularity, nationalism, and populism... what's going to be left, but for those insular nations to fig

by M_Grey 10y ago

chongli 10y ago
Using a nuke to fight off a tide of refugees is like bringing a grenade to a fist fight. Do you think the people who are already here are going to tolerate the wholesale slaughter of their family members who are trying to rejoin them? What about all of their friends? No. If we don't find some way to rescue everybody we will be torn apart by civil war.
- lmz 10y ago
  Sounds like a good argument to not let even one of them in.
  - chongli 10y ago
    You must must've missed the part where I mentioned that they are already here. They are us. We aren't going to be able to pull up the ladder. People will try, though, and it will get very ugly, very fast.
    - M_Grey 10y ago
      Exactly, and then there will be war.
    - lmz 10y ago
      If by "here" you mean North America and Western Europe then yes, they will pay the price for their diversity. Places like Japan and China that people say are "xenophobic" might turn out to have the better survival strategy.
- M_Grey 10y ago
  Using a nuke to fight off a tide of refugees is like bringing a grenade to a fist fight. Yeah, or firebombing a defeated nation. Who would do such a thing? Oh right... humanity.
int_19h 10y ago
Of course not. But do understand that we're talking about large scale warfare here. Even if you're willing to set moral issues aside, it's not going to be cheap. Those who want to isolate their countries from "third world problems" are going to pay for it in cold hard cash. Thus, even they cannot truly claim to be unaffected.