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Well, we'll ignore the fact that 100% of users use the App Store, given that it's how Apple distributes updates. I don't think that's what you meant. Here's th

Well, we'll ignore the fact that 100% of users use the App Store, given that it's how Apple distributes updates. I don't think that's what you meant. Here's the real question for me: What percentage of users who regularly install 3rd party apps would prefer to install them via the App Store? I bet it's a large majority.

ThomPete 10y ago
You don't need an app store to distribute updates so yes that is exactly what I meant so don't be pedantic. And no it's not the real question. If anything, the real question is how many actually even install 3rd party apps via that App Store which according to a couple of reports I have read is surprisingly few. Most mac users don't install any new software after they purchase their mac. But even that is besides the point of this discussion. My own experience being a top 10 paid app for a while in the app store was sobering as it have been to so many others. There was literally no boost to sales compared to before which basically means that all traffic was traffic I generated myself not something apple provided. If the majority of people only use the app store for updating apps then it is perfectly reasonable to question whether the value that it provides a few who do use it regularly outweighs the many who do all the hard work to actually get people to buy their app and apple still be taking 30%. It reminds me of the New York real estate market where you find your own apartment do all the hard work yet still pay 15 of a years rent to a real estate agent. Furthermore if you actually read what I have been writing instead of just cherry picking you would also know that I have nothing against the app store as a concept it makes perfect sense for ex iOS because Apple keeps improving that platform. What I have something against is Apples handling of the macs' and neglect which is the only reason we are in the situation that we are in where I had to move out of the app store. And it's the current state of the app store I am talking about not some ideological tirade against it. It's a much bigger discussion than "asking the users about the value" which in this context isn't important. Of course some people get value out of it but not as many as you seem to believe and the real question is whether the negative consequences of the sandbox is really serving the macs future which in my opinion it's not and which is actually what this debate is all about.

ThomPete 10y ago

You don't need an app store to distribute updates so yes that is exactly what I meant so don't be pedantic. And no it's not the real question. If anything, the real question is how many actually even install 3rd party apps via that App Store which according to a couple of reports I have read is surprisingly few. Most mac users don't install any new software after they purchase their mac. But even that is besides the point of this discussion. My own experience being a top 10 paid app for a while in the app store was sobering as it have been to so many others. There was literally no boost to sales compared to before which basically means that all traffic was traffic I generated myself not something apple provided. If the majority of people only use the app store for updating apps then it is perfectly reasonable to question whether the value that it provides a few who do use it regularly outweighs the many who do all the hard work to actually get people to buy their app and apple still be taking 30%. It reminds me of the New York real estate market where you find your own apartment do all the hard work yet still pay 15 of a years rent to a real estate agent. Furthermore if you actually read what I have been writing instead of just cherry picking you would also know that I have nothing against the app store as a concept it makes perfect sense for ex iOS because Apple keeps improving that platform. What I have something against is Apples handling of the macs' and neglect which is the only reason we are in the situation that we are in where I had to move out of the app store. And it's the current state of the app store I am talking about not some ideological tirade against it. It's a much bigger discussion than "asking the users about the value" which in this context isn't important. Of course some people get value out of it but not as many as you seem to believe and the real question is whether the negative consequences of the sandbox is really serving the macs future which in my opinion it's not and which is actually what this debate is all about.