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yeah the novel goes and "solve" the misery. with the task of saving the mission, not lying to the humans and withheld information about the alien, the only logi

yeah the novel goes and "solve" the misery. with the task of saving the mission, not lying to the humans and withheld information about the alien, the only logical step to resolve the constraint when the human ask about the mission nature is to kill them to prevent having to lie or having to divulge information. this also echoes many Asimov novel in principle and especially one in specific where the ai goes trough all rules and the only non conflicting way to solve the constraint was self destruct (cant remember the title)

wruza 10y ago
Even macos autolayout subsystem (cassowary solver) can break constraints based on priority as part of regular operation. It is a linear/logical problem, strange that scifi robots fail in it. Probably scifi authors are not aware of non-strict problems. No-lie should have minimal priority possible, otherwise HAL breaking TLoR is only a matter of time.
- M_Grey 10y ago
  This has to be the most intellectually sound, and technically sophisticated analysis that still has, "Well then of course there wouldn't be a movie to watch," as it's answer.
- alanh 10y ago
  Haha. Anyone who has written more than a dozen lines of CSS is hopefully also familiar with the computer ignoring one directive in favor of the other. Try this: .foo { display: inline; float: right; } Better believe foo won't be inline! That’s per spec :)
- mannigfaltig 10y ago
  Maybe a programmer accidentally added another zero to the priority value for keeping the secret (say, 100 instead of 10). Hard constraints are the limiting case of soft constraints.
  - wruza 10y ago
    Or, to be sure, he put -1 into priority field and published in hurry into production. He didn't know that the value was cast to unsigned long in the view controller. Still happens in the future, I guess.
qu4z-2 10y ago
Are you thinking of Liar![0]? Looking it up on the Wikipedia, the See Also section includes a reference to HAL. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar!_(short_story) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar!_(short_story)

wruza 10y ago

Even macos autolayout subsystem (cassowary solver) can break constraints based on priority as part of regular operation. It is a linear/logical problem, strange that scifi robots fail in it. Probably scifi authors are not aware of non-strict problems. No-lie should have minimal priority possible, otherwise HAL breaking TLoR is only a matter of time.

M_Grey 10y ago
This has to be the most intellectually sound, and technically sophisticated analysis that still has, "Well then of course there wouldn't be a movie to watch," as it's answer.
alanh 10y ago
Haha. Anyone who has written more than a dozen lines of CSS is hopefully also familiar with the computer ignoring one directive in favor of the other. Try this: .foo { display: inline; float: right; } Better believe foo won't be inline! That’s per spec :)
mannigfaltig 10y ago
Maybe a programmer accidentally added another zero to the priority value for keeping the secret (say, 100 instead of 10). Hard constraints are the limiting case of soft constraints.
- wruza 10y ago
  Or, to be sure, he put -1 into priority field and published in hurry into production. He didn't know that the value was cast to unsigned long in the view controller. Still happens in the future, I guess.

qu4z-2 10y ago

Are you thinking of Liar![0]? Looking it up on the Wikipedia, the See Also section includes a reference to HAL. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar!_(short_story) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liar!_(short_story)