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When I see stories like this one, read here how good the accessibility is in iPhones, and read about how good their security is for end users, I don't understan

When I see stories like this one, read here how good the accessibility is in iPhones, and read about how good their security is for end users, I don't understand why it's trendy to tear down Apple and Tim Cook. What a great citizen of the IT community and the world. It would be a great loss if new management came in and decided that all of this wasn't profitable.

forgottenpass 10y ago
I don't understand why it's trendy to tear down Apple and Tim Cook. They made their decision on what their externally-facing corporate culture would be. It's no one's fault but their own, that people hold them to a higher standard than they may hold others. What a great citizen of the IT community and the world. They're leading the day-to-day normalization of the idea that end users don't get (and shouldn't have) ultimate control over their devices. Calling them a "great citizen" is an incredibly frustrating thing to read.
- frogpelt 10y ago
  They're leading the day-to-day normalization of the idea that end users don't get (and shouldn't have) ultimate control over their devices. Or said another way, the vast majority of users don't care to have complete control over their devices and place more value on Apple's approach.
  - tim333 10y ago
    Also I feel more in control of my Mac than my PC now Microsoft are putting spyware like stuff in the updates.
  - H4CK3RM4N 10y ago
    At least they're not handing this control to the NSA/CIA. Apple's also made a few important steps towards keeping data encrypted and on device, instead of being sprayed across the internet(the Mac's new photos.app is a great example of this).
  - wrase 10y ago
    Right. 'Control' can mean a lot of things, depending on what it is you actually want a thing to do for you. Us nerds put a disproportionately high value on things that are (for example) data 'open', but somebody else - such as the interviewee in this article - may have different needs. I think many people feel 'empowered' using an iPhone just the way it is. It allows them control over their lives, not the technology. Control is just the ability to direct a thing to behave in line with your intentions. I think apple understands that more than others, even if that's not always in line with what us nerds want it to mean.
- interpol_p 10y ago
  > They're leading the day-to-day normalization of the idea that end users don't get (and shouldn't have) ultimate control over their devices. In the video it looks like they've given a blind person ultimate control over their device. (I know what you meant by "ultimate control," but don't think it's a very human thing in your context.)
gpm 10y ago
Apples response to Android was lawsuits over ridiculous things such as "having round corners" (and thus violating Apples design patent). They make a great product, but they're an absolutely terrible corporate citizen.
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forgottenpass 10y ago

I don't understand why it's trendy to tear down Apple and Tim Cook. They made their decision on what their externally-facing corporate culture would be. It's no one's fault but their own, that people hold them to a higher standard than they may hold others. What a great citizen of the IT community and the world. They're leading the day-to-day normalization of the idea that end users don't get (and shouldn't have) ultimate control over their devices. Calling them a "great citizen" is an incredibly frustrating thing to read.

frogpelt 10y ago
They're leading the day-to-day normalization of the idea that end users don't get (and shouldn't have) ultimate control over their devices. Or said another way, the vast majority of users don't care to have complete control over their devices and place more value on Apple's approach.
- tim333 10y ago
  Also I feel more in control of my Mac than my PC now Microsoft are putting spyware like stuff in the updates.
- H4CK3RM4N 10y ago
  At least they're not handing this control to the NSA/CIA. Apple's also made a few important steps towards keeping data encrypted and on device, instead of being sprayed across the internet(the Mac's new photos.app is a great example of this).
- wrase 10y ago
  Right. 'Control' can mean a lot of things, depending on what it is you actually want a thing to do for you. Us nerds put a disproportionately high value on things that are (for example) data 'open', but somebody else - such as the interviewee in this article - may have different needs. I think many people feel 'empowered' using an iPhone just the way it is. It allows them control over their lives, not the technology. Control is just the ability to direct a thing to behave in line with your intentions. I think apple understands that more than others, even if that's not always in line with what us nerds want it to mean.
interpol_p 10y ago
> They're leading the day-to-day normalization of the idea that end users don't get (and shouldn't have) ultimate control over their devices. In the video it looks like they've given a blind person ultimate control over their device. (I know what you meant by "ultimate control," but don't think it's a very human thing in your context.)

gpm 10y ago

Apples response to Android was lawsuits over ridiculous things such as "having round corners" (and thus violating Apples design patent). They make a great product, but they're an absolutely terrible corporate citizen.

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