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Feeling nostalgic ... Window Maker was my window manager of choice per year (up to the GNOME 1 days when it was still easy to run gnome-panel on top of WM). Th

Feeling nostalgic ... Window Maker was my window manager of choice per year (up to the GNOME 1 days when it was still easy to run gnome-panel on top of WM). The NeXTSTEP way in which menus can be triggered by right-clicking is really usable - I only wish it's possible to attach the app menu bar as well. The global menu bar approach of macOS and GNOME can feel a bit ridiculous on large displays.

bcrescimanno 10y ago
> I only wish it's possible to attach the app menu bar as well. The global menu bar approach of macOS and GNOME can feel a bit ridiculous on large displays. I personally disagree. It's still highly relevant to be able to "slam" the pointer upward to always land on the menu bar.
- mavhc 10y ago
  Problem is returning to where you came from again. RISC OS has the best menus, just click the mouse button anywhere in the window, maximum Fitts score, and you can select menu items and keep the menu open to select more, also select a menu item that has a submenu, and have windows as submenus, for palette selection etc
  - wazoox 10y ago
    That's also what GIMP has right :) They added the (IMO perfectly useless) standard menu for the unacquainted...
  - kitsunesoba 10y ago
    >Problem is returning to where you came from again. I have cursor speed set high on all of my machines for this very reason. Easy to slam edges, minimal movement to get back to where you started. It takes a day or so to adjust to being precise with small hand movements, but it was totally worth it, at least for me.
    - i336_ 10y ago
      I'm curious what kind of mouse you have, and how you have it set up. I'm guessing you're not using a trackpad or TrackPoint?
      - kitsunesoba 10y ago
        My day to day pointing device is a trackball (CST L-Trac) but I occasionally use a mouse and the trackpad on my MBP. At one point I used a dell precision laptop with a trackpoint. Pointer speed is high on all of them, and I used to use hot corners but now the only corner I use is bottom left for screen lock.
        i336_ 10y ago
        Ah, a trackball; that makes perfect sense. I really need to get myself one of those things :) Interesting, screen lock at bottom left. I'm guessing you're not using Windows, or that you open the menu with the Windows key if you do.
- dredmorbius 10y ago
  Screws with FFM.
digi_owl 10y ago
> (up to the GNOME 1 days when it was still easy to run gnome-panel on top of WM) One more thing to mourn the loss of with Wayland i guess...
- yjftsjthsd-h 10y ago
  Why was this downvoted? Breaking backwards compatibility with every existing WM is legitimately a downside to Wayland.
  - digi_owl 10y ago
    Naysay the "future", get the downvote stick...
  - bluejekyll 10y ago
    What would it take to port to wayland?
    - notalaser 10y ago
      Pretty much a complete rewrite. Wayland is nothing like X11.
      - digi_owl 10y ago
        I have taken to likening Wayland to svgalib. The basic task of Wayland is to facilitate that a program (most commonly a DE compositor/WM) can draw on the screen using the GPU without the programmer having to write OpenGL code.

bcrescimanno 10y ago

> I only wish it's possible to attach the app menu bar as well. The global menu bar approach of macOS and GNOME can feel a bit ridiculous on large displays. I personally disagree. It's still highly relevant to be able to "slam" the pointer upward to always land on the menu bar.

mavhc 10y ago
Problem is returning to where you came from again. RISC OS has the best menus, just click the mouse button anywhere in the window, maximum Fitts score, and you can select menu items and keep the menu open to select more, also select a menu item that has a submenu, and have windows as submenus, for palette selection etc
- wazoox 10y ago
  That's also what GIMP has right :) They added the (IMO perfectly useless) standard menu for the unacquainted...
- kitsunesoba 10y ago
  >Problem is returning to where you came from again. I have cursor speed set high on all of my machines for this very reason. Easy to slam edges, minimal movement to get back to where you started. It takes a day or so to adjust to being precise with small hand movements, but it was totally worth it, at least for me.
  - i336_ 10y ago
    I'm curious what kind of mouse you have, and how you have it set up. I'm guessing you're not using a trackpad or TrackPoint?
    - kitsunesoba 10y ago
      My day to day pointing device is a trackball (CST L-Trac) but I occasionally use a mouse and the trackpad on my MBP. At one point I used a dell precision laptop with a trackpoint. Pointer speed is high on all of them, and I used to use hot corners but now the only corner I use is bottom left for screen lock.
      - i336_ 10y ago
        Ah, a trackball; that makes perfect sense. I really need to get myself one of those things :) Interesting, screen lock at bottom left. I'm guessing you're not using Windows, or that you open the menu with the Windows key if you do.
dredmorbius 10y ago
Screws with FFM.

digi_owl 10y ago

> (up to the GNOME 1 days when it was still easy to run gnome-panel on top of WM) One more thing to mourn the loss of with Wayland i guess...

yjftsjthsd-h 10y ago
Why was this downvoted? Breaking backwards compatibility with every existing WM is legitimately a downside to Wayland.
- digi_owl 10y ago
  Naysay the "future", get the downvote stick...
- bluejekyll 10y ago
  What would it take to port to wayland?
  - notalaser 10y ago
    Pretty much a complete rewrite. Wayland is nothing like X11.
    - digi_owl 10y ago
      I have taken to likening Wayland to svgalib. The basic task of Wayland is to facilitate that a program (most commonly a DE compositor/WM) can draw on the screen using the GPU without the programmer having to write OpenGL code.