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If you care at all about security, use an iPhone. Make sure the latest version of iOS is installed. Set up a difficult passcode. Android security is a joke. Se

by pdog 10y ago

If you care at all about security, use an iPhone. Make sure the latest version of iOS is installed. Set up a difficult passcode. Android security is a joke. Seriously. Don't use an Android phone.

bitmapbrother 10y ago
Your post is a joke. Let me clarify, the phones were not directly from the OEM. And if you look at the list a lot of them aren't even manufactured anymore. So what happened? These phones were acquired by some third party, modified and then resold to these 2 companies. If I were to acquire 38 iPhones that were not upgraded to the latest version of the OS and then proceeded to jailbreak them and install malware would you suddenly be saying iOS security is a joke?
- bobsam 10y ago
  To add to that, in China people have bought what they thought was a genuine iPhone (in an "Apple store" no less) but turned out to be a clone full of crapware. These are extremely well made clones, people have used them for years without understanding what they were. What does that tell us about iPhone security? Nothing.
  - bobsam 10y ago
    http://www.imgur.com/a/Khbi9 http://www.imgur.com/a/Khbi9
- dang 10y ago
  > Your post is a joke. Please edit that kind of name-calling out of your comments here. I realize it started upthread, but this crosses into incivility and tarnishes your otherwise fine comment.
CaptSpify 10y ago
Android security is indeed a joke. That doesn't make me eager to use a different device with a bunch of closed-source software. We really need better choices.
- bitmapbrother 10y ago
  Why don't you enlighten us? Better yet, how about you show us by compromising an up to date Google device?
  - CaptSpify 10y ago
    http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/05/android_m_permissions-100587839-gallery.jpg http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/05/android_... There's a picture of their crappy security in practice. It needs much better and more granular controls for me to consider it secure.
    - nitrogen 10y ago
      Android's network security model is atrocious, with full network access being in the "other" category that all apps get. You don't need to have root on a phone to go rogue and attack/analyze other devices, if the phone already gives your "no permissions" app full access.
      - bobsam 10y ago
        The can only be one logical reason for this: to Google AdSense is more important than your privacy. I can't take things like project zero seriously when the same company works hard to weaken Android privacy.
    - bitmapbrother 10y ago
      So you have an issue with Android's permission model? Fair point, it could be more granular. Are permissions more granular on iOS? Because I'd like to block access to the Internet for some apps that display ads. I'm guessing probably not.
    - Buge 10y ago
      Is there a permissions model on Linux, Mac, or Windows? This issue seems kind of unimportant. If a hacker can compromise the device, they can disregard all permissions.
chrisper 10y ago
Yes at the cost of not allowing you do to many things. In that sense, a prison is safer than being outside, too. Should I live in a prison instead then? I am not trying to bash iOS here, but it is very clear that security in iOS comes at the cost of freedom and not being able to do a lot of things. For example, you can only install apps through the App Store. You cannot mount USB drives and so on. Security is always a tradeoff.
- M_Grey 10y ago
  >In that sense, a prison is safer than being outside, too. Should I live in a prison instead then? I mean... I see Android as akin to the situation in The Walking Dead that led to them living in a literal prison, so yes. I've always avoided Mac when possible, but in the mobile space I'd rather use those devices less, and less freely, but more securely. I'll explore my options on my desktop or laptop.
- ubernostrum 10y ago
  One person's prison is another person's comfortable home. Many people do not perceive iOS as a prison, and would take issue with your choice of words to describe it as such. If you feel that it is, then of course there are alternatives available. You just also know what you're giving up and the risks you're taking. (and, of course, Android is not so nice either without the magic non-Free bits from Google...)
tokenizerrr 10y ago
iPhones are an absolute joke. I am not paying 100s of dollars for the privilege of developing software for my own hardware.
- josch 10y ago
  That is not necessary since a while ago (Xcode 7).
  - khedoros1 10y ago
    Where's the Windows or Linux version of Xcode 7, then? Or a version of OSX licensed to run on the capable hardware that I already own? I suppose I could spend $500 on a Mac Mini, but then we're back to tokenizerrr's question.
  - tokenizerrr 10y ago
    Oh? Where do I find the docs and the download link? It has to run on Linux laptop or my Windows desktop, both which have perfectly capable hardware. I am not buying a Mac for the privilege of developing software for an iPhone.
    - megablast 10y ago
      > Where do I find the docs and the download link? On the Apple developer website, when you make a free dev account. And yes, it is mac only. But they are a mac company.
      - tokenizerrr 10y ago
        I'd gladly run the free developer copy of mac os on my perfectly capable hardware if that is what they desire I use. Something like https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/v...
        H4CK3RM4N 10y ago
geoffmcc 10y ago
> Android security is a joke. Seriously. Don't use an Android phone. Can confirm it sucks. Android Security Patch Level on my phone is 2016-01-01. Funny cause on my old different manufacturer phone before this one I had a more recent security patch. I am pretty sure some nasty stuff came out between now and then. Can't tell if Android is the issue, the phone manufacturer or both.
codedokode 10y ago
Does iPhone has a firewall? Or does one have to trust Apple and app developers that they won't collect a single byte of "anonymous" "analytics"?
- thinkling 10y ago
  No, there is no built-in firewall for outgoing connections on iOS, and I don't know of a way to install one without using an external device like a router with a filtering proxy. The OS limits an app's access to data that belongs to that app, so an app can't gather information you do not give it access too. (e.g. you have to give explicit permission for it to access photos or GPS location). But you do not have any control over other analytics the app may gather and upload, e.g. frequency of app use or info you enter.

by pdog 10y ago

If you care at all about security, use an iPhone. Make sure the latest version of iOS is installed. Set up a difficult passcode. Android security is a joke. Seriously. Don't use an Android phone.

bitmapbrother 10y ago

Your post is a joke. Let me clarify, the phones were not directly from the OEM. And if you look at the list a lot of them aren't even manufactured anymore. So what happened? These phones were acquired by some third party, modified and then resold to these 2 companies. If I were to acquire 38 iPhones that were not upgraded to the latest version of the OS and then proceeded to jailbreak them and install malware would you suddenly be saying iOS security is a joke?

bobsam 10y ago
To add to that, in China people have bought what they thought was a genuine iPhone (in an "Apple store" no less) but turned out to be a clone full of crapware. These are extremely well made clones, people have used them for years without understanding what they were. What does that tell us about iPhone security? Nothing.
- bobsam 10y ago
  http://www.imgur.com/a/Khbi9 http://www.imgur.com/a/Khbi9
dang 10y ago
> Your post is a joke. Please edit that kind of name-calling out of your comments here. I realize it started upthread, but this crosses into incivility and tarnishes your otherwise fine comment.

CaptSpify 10y ago

Android security is indeed a joke. That doesn't make me eager to use a different device with a bunch of closed-source software. We really need better choices.

bitmapbrother 10y ago
Why don't you enlighten us? Better yet, how about you show us by compromising an up to date Google device?
- CaptSpify 10y ago
  http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/05/android_m_permissions-100587839-gallery.jpg http://core0.staticworld.net/images/article/2015/05/android_... There's a picture of their crappy security in practice. It needs much better and more granular controls for me to consider it secure.
  - nitrogen 10y ago
    Android's network security model is atrocious, with full network access being in the "other" category that all apps get. You don't need to have root on a phone to go rogue and attack/analyze other devices, if the phone already gives your "no permissions" app full access.
    - bobsam 10y ago
      The can only be one logical reason for this: to Google AdSense is more important than your privacy. I can't take things like project zero seriously when the same company works hard to weaken Android privacy.
  - bitmapbrother 10y ago
    So you have an issue with Android's permission model? Fair point, it could be more granular. Are permissions more granular on iOS? Because I'd like to block access to the Internet for some apps that display ads. I'm guessing probably not.
  - Buge 10y ago
    Is there a permissions model on Linux, Mac, or Windows? This issue seems kind of unimportant. If a hacker can compromise the device, they can disregard all permissions.

chrisper 10y ago

Yes at the cost of not allowing you do to many things. In that sense, a prison is safer than being outside, too. Should I live in a prison instead then? I am not trying to bash iOS here, but it is very clear that security in iOS comes at the cost of freedom and not being able to do a lot of things. For example, you can only install apps through the App Store. You cannot mount USB drives and so on. Security is always a tradeoff.

M_Grey 10y ago
>In that sense, a prison is safer than being outside, too. Should I live in a prison instead then? I mean... I see Android as akin to the situation in The Walking Dead that led to them living in a literal prison, so yes. I've always avoided Mac when possible, but in the mobile space I'd rather use those devices less, and less freely, but more securely. I'll explore my options on my desktop or laptop.
ubernostrum 10y ago
One person's prison is another person's comfortable home. Many people do not perceive iOS as a prison, and would take issue with your choice of words to describe it as such. If you feel that it is, then of course there are alternatives available. You just also know what you're giving up and the risks you're taking. (and, of course, Android is not so nice either without the magic non-Free bits from Google...)

tokenizerrr 10y ago

iPhones are an absolute joke. I am not paying 100s of dollars for the privilege of developing software for my own hardware.

josch 10y ago
That is not necessary since a while ago (Xcode 7).
- khedoros1 10y ago
  Where's the Windows or Linux version of Xcode 7, then? Or a version of OSX licensed to run on the capable hardware that I already own? I suppose I could spend $500 on a Mac Mini, but then we're back to tokenizerrr's question.
- tokenizerrr 10y ago
  Oh? Where do I find the docs and the download link? It has to run on Linux laptop or my Windows desktop, both which have perfectly capable hardware. I am not buying a Mac for the privilege of developing software for an iPhone.
  - megablast 10y ago
    > Where do I find the docs and the download link? On the Apple developer website, when you make a free dev account. And yes, it is mac only. But they are a mac company.
    - tokenizerrr 10y ago
      I'd gladly run the free developer copy of mac os on my perfectly capable hardware if that is what they desire I use. Something like https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/ https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/v...
      - H4CK3RM4N 10y ago

geoffmcc 10y ago

> Android security is a joke. Seriously. Don't use an Android phone. Can confirm it sucks. Android Security Patch Level on my phone is 2016-01-01. Funny cause on my old different manufacturer phone before this one I had a more recent security patch. I am pretty sure some nasty stuff came out between now and then. Can't tell if Android is the issue, the phone manufacturer or both.

codedokode 10y ago

Does iPhone has a firewall? Or does one have to trust Apple and app developers that they won't collect a single byte of "anonymous" "analytics"?

thinkling 10y ago
No, there is no built-in firewall for outgoing connections on iOS, and I don't know of a way to install one without using an external device like a router with a filtering proxy. The OS limits an app's access to data that belongs to that app, so an app can't gather information you do not give it access too. (e.g. you have to give explicit permission for it to access photos or GPS location). But you do not have any control over other analytics the app may gather and upload, e.g. frequency of app use or info you enter.