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This case pisses me off. Truly. Not because of what the FBI did, but because of all these articles coming out, from the doctor's home town, that leave out a ton

by TACIXAT 10y ago

This case pisses me off. Truly. Not because of what the FBI did, but because of all these articles coming out, from the doctor's home town, that leave out a ton of detail. Then a bunch of people in the comments defending someone who had naked pictures of underage girls and works in a position of power. He's trying to get off on a technicality. How could we possibly know? >Mark Rettenmaier, a gynecologic oncologist on staff at Hoag Hospital, had the pornography on three portable hard drives, a laptop and his iPhone, according to a federal grand jury indictment filed in November. 1. http://www.latimes.com/tn-dpt-me-1224-doctor-update-20141222-story.html http://www.latimes.com/tn-dpt-me-1224-doctor-update-20141222...

dsfyu404ed 10y ago
WTF? Should law enforcement not be obligated to follow the law when they're hunting down people we don't like?
- Svezik 10y ago
  Talk to a millennial sometime. They don't teach these things in school any more. Talk about the presumption of innocence or the right to a fair trial and they look at you like you're from outer space.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    Not only are Millennials I know as likely to be aware of those things as older people I know, Millennials are among the most passionate about protecting them.
  - katpas 10y ago
    I'm a 'millenial'. I also have a law degree and our lecturers were pretty hot on the importance of the right to a fair process and a fair trial above all else.
  - ftxrcc 10y ago
    Very low quality comment. Millennials are among the best informed of the issue.
Larrikin 10y ago
The law is in place to protect people when the government breaks the law. Its their own fault if the case falls apart because of that as it should be
- TACIXAT 10y ago
  What laws did the government break? The search was authorized. >The hard drive arrived at Best Buy’s Brooks, Kentucky facility on November 25, 2011, and an initial search was performed by a Best Buy employee at 9:00 p.m. on November 28, 2011, revealing that the “drive appears to have been restored, underlying data visible.” (Bates 853.) Best Buy called Rettenmaier less than thirty minutes later; he authorized “Level 2” repair and identified “[p]ictures, excel files, quicken files, text and word documents” as the most important files to recover. (Id.) >On or about December 20, 2011, Best Buy technician John “Trey” Westphal observed what he deemed to be inappropriate content on the hard drive. (Dkt. 152 at 4.) His discovery occurred after the data recovery repair for images—“to determine that the repair was successful [Westphal] must access the files to verify that the files were recovered intact.” (Bates 823.) The technician had a duty to notify authorities. The technicians were classified as CHS so that the FBI could track their relationship with them. >During 2007 and 2008, I am aware of four employees of Best Buy Geek Squad in Brooks, Kentucky, who contacted us regarding child pornography on customers' devices. To best track the relationship with these individuals and document contacts the FBI had with them, we classified these individuals as confidential human sources ("CHS's"), though they were simply employees at the Best Buy Geek Squad who happened to be in a position to report child pornography that technicians had come across on devices during the course of repair. Further searches revealed child porn. Not the "grey-area" stuff that kicked off the investigation, if you can even call it that. >A later search of the iPhone revealed alleged child pornography that is charged in Count 2 of the Indictment.
  - michaelmrose 10y ago
    If best buy employees are acting as agents of the government they require a warrant and cannot search by acting as computer repair techs as a cover for an otherwise illegal search.
uncletammy 10y ago
I support all people's right to a fair trial, due process, and protection from unreasonable search and seizure. Suspected terrorists, drug dealers, and child pornographers included.

by TACIXAT 10y ago

dsfyu404ed 10y ago

WTF? Should law enforcement not be obligated to follow the law when they're hunting down people we don't like?

Svezik 10y ago
Talk to a millennial sometime. They don't teach these things in school any more. Talk about the presumption of innocence or the right to a fair trial and they look at you like you're from outer space.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  Not only are Millennials I know as likely to be aware of those things as older people I know, Millennials are among the most passionate about protecting them.
- katpas 10y ago
  I'm a 'millenial'. I also have a law degree and our lecturers were pretty hot on the importance of the right to a fair process and a fair trial above all else.
- ftxrcc 10y ago
  Very low quality comment. Millennials are among the best informed of the issue.

Larrikin 10y ago

The law is in place to protect people when the government breaks the law. Its their own fault if the case falls apart because of that as it should be

TACIXAT 10y ago
What laws did the government break? The search was authorized. >The hard drive arrived at Best Buy’s Brooks, Kentucky facility on November 25, 2011, and an initial search was performed by a Best Buy employee at 9:00 p.m. on November 28, 2011, revealing that the “drive appears to have been restored, underlying data visible.” (Bates 853.) Best Buy called Rettenmaier less than thirty minutes later; he authorized “Level 2” repair and identified “[p]ictures, excel files, quicken files, text and word documents” as the most important files to recover. (Id.) >On or about December 20, 2011, Best Buy technician John “Trey” Westphal observed what he deemed to be inappropriate content on the hard drive. (Dkt. 152 at 4.) His discovery occurred after the data recovery repair for images—“to determine that the repair was successful [Westphal] must access the files to verify that the files were recovered intact.” (Bates 823.) The technician had a duty to notify authorities. The technicians were classified as CHS so that the FBI could track their relationship with them. >During 2007 and 2008, I am aware of four employees of Best Buy Geek Squad in Brooks, Kentucky, who contacted us regarding child pornography on customers' devices. To best track the relationship with these individuals and document contacts the FBI had with them, we classified these individuals as confidential human sources ("CHS's"), though they were simply employees at the Best Buy Geek Squad who happened to be in a position to report child pornography that technicians had come across on devices during the course of repair. Further searches revealed child porn. Not the "grey-area" stuff that kicked off the investigation, if you can even call it that. >A later search of the iPhone revealed alleged child pornography that is charged in Count 2 of the Indictment.
- michaelmrose 10y ago
  If best buy employees are acting as agents of the government they require a warrant and cannot search by acting as computer repair techs as a cover for an otherwise illegal search.

uncletammy 10y ago

I support all people's right to a fair trial, due process, and protection from unreasonable search and seizure. Suspected terrorists, drug dealers, and child pornographers included.