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Yes you can download apps outside the App Store, but the App Store has a brand recognition associated to it that Apple need to and should protect.

ThomPete 10y ago
Removing the mac app store would have no effect on their brand and they shouldnt have implemented it to begin with IMO. If anything hurts their brand its the utter lack of carring for the osx platform.
- ChrisMorrisOrg 10y ago
  I would argue that their stringent security requirements are a testament to how much they care about the macOS platform and its users.
  - ThomPete 10y ago
    Yet you can dowload apps outside the app store and set as low security as youd want. The app store has nothing to do with that as most normal users dont download anything. The mac was considered secure long before the app store.
  - PhasmaFelis 10y ago
    Security is a trade-off, not a slider to maximize. A machine with no network connection and no ability to install new software would be ultimately secure, but not much use. Caring about your users means optimizing the ratio of security to usability.
- nodesocket 10y ago
  > its the utter lack of carring for the osx platform. This is short sided. $AAPL cash cow is obviously mobile, however I don't agree that they don't care about desktop. I assume your referring to the blog outrage about the new MacBook Pros? News flash, the bloggers who were complaining the loudest and making the biggest noise on HN and in the news are a small minority. Notice how you don't see daily stories bashing Apple as much now. See $AAPL chart: https://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=0&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=0&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1489198515720&chddm=35972&chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=NASDAQ:AAPL&&fct=big&ei=m13DWJjcMpWnjAHmrIqYBQ https://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=0&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=0&...
  - ThomPete 10y ago
    No i am actually talking purely about the os not the hardware.
  - darpa_escapee 10y ago
    I hopped on the OS X train when Apple first released the x86 MacBook. OS X 10.4 was a major improvement over 10.3, Windows and Linux. Leopard and Snow Leopard brought even more improvements and features. Things started stagnating after Lion. Today's OS X development is pretty lame by those standards.
    - danieldk 10y ago
      macOS is now on a yearly release schedule, so it is logical that the deltas are smaller. If you look at the typical OS X release timeframe of yesteryear, there are quite some great improvements changes: - Introduction of an OS-level hypervisor (Hypervisor.framework). - Much better security and resistance against rootkits (SIP). - A new filesystem (APFS). - The introduction of a far more modern programming language for development (Swift). - A new graphics API (Metal). Sure, some coincide with features added to iOS, but I see that as a strength. There are also user-visible changes, but I care less about them. To me, the WIMP paradigm seems to have reached a local optimum and I don't think anyone is helped by Windows 8 or GNOME 3.0-like experiments.
      - riffraff 10y ago
        you have to admit those are things with very minor effect on users. Sure, it will be nice to use APFS in the future, but it doesn't bring anything new. OSX releases before Lion had much more innovative stuff, e.g. * 10.4: spotlight, dashboard, automator, CoreImage, CoreAudio * 10.5: time machine, spaces, cover flow, quick look, boot camp Those are user-level improvements.
        danieldk 10y ago
        The early releases of OS X were far more primitive, so more work needed to be done on the basic building blocks (e.g. CoreImage or CoreAudio). Besides that, half of these features I have never used: - Dashboard: never used it. Fiddled for 10 minutes and decided it's not useful. - Automator: maybe some Alfred workflows that I use, use automator, but I never used it directly. I also don't think anyone outside power users write automator scripts. And these are the same people that can benefit from APFS or Hypervisor.framework. - Spaces: gone. I am still sour about this though ;). - Time machine: not that great in practice. Especially with a Time Capsule/Airport often results in backup sets that are broken. - Cover flow: never used it, not saw the point. - Boot camp. Never used it. So, I and most Mac users that I know don't use half of these features. I also know quite many non-techie users that don't even know that Spotlight exists (they launch applications via the Dock and use Finder).

ThomPete 10y ago

Removing the mac app store would have no effect on their brand and they shouldnt have implemented it to begin with IMO. If anything hurts their brand its the utter lack of carring for the osx platform.

ChrisMorrisOrg 10y ago
I would argue that their stringent security requirements are a testament to how much they care about the macOS platform and its users.
- ThomPete 10y ago
  Yet you can dowload apps outside the app store and set as low security as youd want. The app store has nothing to do with that as most normal users dont download anything. The mac was considered secure long before the app store.
- PhasmaFelis 10y ago
  Security is a trade-off, not a slider to maximize. A machine with no network connection and no ability to install new software would be ultimately secure, but not much use. Caring about your users means optimizing the ratio of security to usability.
nodesocket 10y ago
> its the utter lack of carring for the osx platform. This is short sided. $AAPL cash cow is obviously mobile, however I don't agree that they don't care about desktop. I assume your referring to the blog outrage about the new MacBook Pros? News flash, the bloggers who were complaining the loudest and making the biggest noise on HN and in the news are a small minority. Notice how you don't see daily stories bashing Apple as much now. See $AAPL chart: https://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=0&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=0&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1489198515720&chddm=35972&chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=NASDAQ:AAPL&&fct=big&ei=m13DWJjcMpWnjAHmrIqYBQ https://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=0&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=0&...
- ThomPete 10y ago
  No i am actually talking purely about the os not the hardware.
- darpa_escapee 10y ago
  I hopped on the OS X train when Apple first released the x86 MacBook. OS X 10.4 was a major improvement over 10.3, Windows and Linux. Leopard and Snow Leopard brought even more improvements and features. Things started stagnating after Lion. Today's OS X development is pretty lame by those standards.
  - danieldk 10y ago
    macOS is now on a yearly release schedule, so it is logical that the deltas are smaller. If you look at the typical OS X release timeframe of yesteryear, there are quite some great improvements changes: - Introduction of an OS-level hypervisor (Hypervisor.framework). - Much better security and resistance against rootkits (SIP). - A new filesystem (APFS). - The introduction of a far more modern programming language for development (Swift). - A new graphics API (Metal). Sure, some coincide with features added to iOS, but I see that as a strength. There are also user-visible changes, but I care less about them. To me, the WIMP paradigm seems to have reached a local optimum and I don't think anyone is helped by Windows 8 or GNOME 3.0-like experiments.
    - riffraff 10y ago
      you have to admit those are things with very minor effect on users. Sure, it will be nice to use APFS in the future, but it doesn't bring anything new. OSX releases before Lion had much more innovative stuff, e.g. * 10.4: spotlight, dashboard, automator, CoreImage, CoreAudio * 10.5: time machine, spaces, cover flow, quick look, boot camp Those are user-level improvements.
      - danieldk 10y ago
        The early releases of OS X were far more primitive, so more work needed to be done on the basic building blocks (e.g. CoreImage or CoreAudio). Besides that, half of these features I have never used: - Dashboard: never used it. Fiddled for 10 minutes and decided it's not useful. - Automator: maybe some Alfred workflows that I use, use automator, but I never used it directly. I also don't think anyone outside power users write automator scripts. And these are the same people that can benefit from APFS or Hypervisor.framework. - Spaces: gone. I am still sour about this though ;). - Time machine: not that great in practice. Especially with a Time Capsule/Airport often results in backup sets that are broken. - Cover flow: never used it, not saw the point. - Boot camp. Never used it. So, I and most Mac users that I know don't use half of these features. I also know quite many non-techie users that don't even know that Spotlight exists (they launch applications via the Dock and use Finder).