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Culpability is a happy illusion outside of a social context. Why are we trying to define this in quantum physics terms? It only makes sense in a Kantian univers
by fdsfsafasfdas 10y ago
Culpability is a happy illusion outside of a social context. Why are we trying to define this in quantum physics terms? It only makes sense in a Kantian universe, where there is an ideal of rationalism. Given how ambiguous human language (let alone human thought) is, do you seriously think that there is an objective culpability for arbitrary concepts when people won't even interpret the arbitrary concepts the same way?
All of this smacks of scientists trying to weigh in on ontological problems. Science is only relevant so far as to show us the limits of what we can claim—in this case, science shows us free will doesn't map neatly into our known universe, hence the article above trying to argue for ways to preserve this abstract concept in a world that doesn't care.
Look at: The Emperor's New Mind. It's the best attempt so far at actually fleshing out the problem, and it hinges entirely on the (fallacious) idea that because humans can innovate they aren't bound by turing completeness. Of course, this is hogwash, because what you'd have to demonstrate was that a single consciousness can prove everything given a finite set of axioms, which is of course an impossible proposition. Penrose sidesteps this by focusing on the magnification of quantum effects to human-level.
I mean, come on—if that's your hope at understanding your own brain, just give up and imagine fairies in it. Is that really more comforting (...let alone rational) than accepting you're driven more by your circumstances than by some ineffable thing about yourself you can't even define? Might as well accept that you're inherently an observer to phenomena outside your immediate ability to understand completely—you know, the basis of the scientific theory.
When people talk about free will in terms of quantum effects, all they reveal is how poorly read they are. It's a binary concept that doesn't map at all into a world where things-are—-—of-predictatable-but-you-can't-predict-the-unpredictable. It's nonsensical except at levels that are meaningless to human thought OR meaningless to physics.
- naasking 10y ago> Culpability is a happy illusion outside of a social context I'm sure that's what you believe, but that doesn't make it true. > do you seriously think that there is an objective culpability for arbitrary concepts when people won't even interpret the arbitrary concepts the same way? The whole point of objectivity is that interpretation has no bearing on truth (or culpability in this case). > in this case, science shows us free will doesn't map neatly into our known universe Science shows no such thing. Assuming determinism of choice shoes only that philosophies of free will that claim free choice is incompatible with determinism are incompatible with evidence. Of course, we don't actually know that we are deterministic (evidence is not conclusive), and it does not in any way rule out free will that is compatible with determinism, which is the type most philosophers profess. This is an all too common mistake that scientists make: thinking that their definition of free will is obviously the one everyone is using.