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GPG Suite

nerdponx 10y ago
I just installed this last week and couldn't be happier with the Keychain product. However I installed it with Homebrew and the Mail integration seems to be missing. Does anyone know why that feature isn't installed in the Homebrew version?
- thibaut_barrere 10y ago
  If you are using https://github.com/caskroom/homebrew-cask/blob/master/Casks/gpgtools.rb https://github.com/caskroom/homebrew-cask/blob/master/Casks/... then my understanding is that since it uses 2016.10_v2, it could be that Mail integration is disabled on macOS Sierra (just a guess).
  - nerdponx 10y ago
    Thanks for the tip! This stuff tends to be poorly documented on the Homebrew side. I think they're too conservative when it comes to what they include in code comments and the "caveats" section of the formula -- Git issue search is okay but does not make for discoverable documentation.
- mrsteveman1 10y ago
  Try installing Caskroom/versions/gpgtools-beta rather than the stable version, which to my knowledge doesn't include the mail tools for Sierra yet.
  - nerdponx 10y ago
    Thanks for the tip!
jwildeboer 10y ago
"(GPGMail support for macOS Sierra coming soon)" And that's where it still is. 41 days after the Sierra release. After every MacOS update, GPG in Apple Mail stops working. That's just not helping to drive adoption and it's just not acceptable IMHO.
- tptacek 10y ago
  "Not acceptable"? What does that mean?
  - libertymcateer 10y ago
    That taking more than a month to push an update necessary to run on the most recent (and most secure) release of a major OS is not a satisfactory basis for communications software. I don't think it is reasonable to leave users hanging for 41 days. BTW, I am not judging. I understand how hard this is. But if they want mass adoption, they have to have much faster updates. Bruce Schneier joked that the user definition of an 'unacceptable' software delay is a 'noticeable' software delay [NB: I read this in Secrets and Lies - he may have been quoting someone else but I can't find a source online]. Based on that standard, this is way too long.
    - peterbraden 10y ago
      And how much do you pay for this timely an update?
      - libertymcateer 10y ago
        Is the implication that is because the software is free, the admins may be unworkably slow in releasing critical patches? Plenty free software is patched on time. Is this going to become a philosophical debate about freemium software?
        tptacek 10y ago
        Yes, that is the (correct) implication. GnuPG isn't "freemium".
        libertymcateer 10y ago
        Communications software that has >40 days of lag between OS updates and a patch that allows the software to run on that OS is not commercial grade. I understand the value in doing the project nonetheless (research, reputation, education, academic use, public availability at no cost, etc.), but it is not reasonable to expect any corporate user to even consider adopting a communications tools with ~6-7 week lag-times to patch after OS upgrades. And I regret now mentioning freemium. That is not relevant. You can argue - very validly - that this software is a gift horse. However, it is unreasonable to be unreceptive to critique that says, simply, "projects that take this long to update after OS updates are not commercial grade." That is all I am saying. I hate the implication that just because software is free it should just be accepted that it is not well supported - if that is the point that is being made, corporate users simply won't be using the software in question.
felipelemos 10y ago
Is there anything similar for Linux?
- arximboldi 10y ago
  Seahorse? https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Seahorse/ https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Seahorse/

I just installed this last week and couldn't be happier with the Keychain product. However I installed it with Homebrew and the Mail integration seems to be missing. Does anyone know why that feature isn't installed in the Homebrew version?

thibaut_barrere 10y ago
If you are using https://github.com/caskroom/homebrew-cask/blob/master/Casks/gpgtools.rb https://github.com/caskroom/homebrew-cask/blob/master/Casks/... then my understanding is that since it uses 2016.10_v2, it could be that Mail integration is disabled on macOS Sierra (just a guess).
- nerdponx 10y ago
  Thanks for the tip! This stuff tends to be poorly documented on the Homebrew side. I think they're too conservative when it comes to what they include in code comments and the "caveats" section of the formula -- Git issue search is okay but does not make for discoverable documentation.
mrsteveman1 10y ago
Try installing Caskroom/versions/gpgtools-beta rather than the stable version, which to my knowledge doesn't include the mail tools for Sierra yet.
- nerdponx 10y ago
  Thanks for the tip!

jwildeboer 10y ago

"(GPGMail support for macOS Sierra coming soon)" And that's where it still is. 41 days after the Sierra release. After every MacOS update, GPG in Apple Mail stops working. That's just not helping to drive adoption and it's just not acceptable IMHO.

tptacek 10y ago
"Not acceptable"? What does that mean?
- libertymcateer 10y ago
  That taking more than a month to push an update necessary to run on the most recent (and most secure) release of a major OS is not a satisfactory basis for communications software. I don't think it is reasonable to leave users hanging for 41 days. BTW, I am not judging. I understand how hard this is. But if they want mass adoption, they have to have much faster updates. Bruce Schneier joked that the user definition of an 'unacceptable' software delay is a 'noticeable' software delay [NB: I read this in Secrets and Lies - he may have been quoting someone else but I can't find a source online]. Based on that standard, this is way too long.
  - peterbraden 10y ago
    And how much do you pay for this timely an update?
    - libertymcateer 10y ago
      Is the implication that is because the software is free, the admins may be unworkably slow in releasing critical patches? Plenty free software is patched on time. Is this going to become a philosophical debate about freemium software?
      - tptacek 10y ago
        Yes, that is the (correct) implication. GnuPG isn't "freemium".
        libertymcateer 10y ago
        Communications software that has >40 days of lag between OS updates and a patch that allows the software to run on that OS is not commercial grade. I understand the value in doing the project nonetheless (research, reputation, education, academic use, public availability at no cost, etc.), but it is not reasonable to expect any corporate user to even consider adopting a communications tools with ~6-7 week lag-times to patch after OS upgrades. And I regret now mentioning freemium. That is not relevant. You can argue - very validly - that this software is a gift horse. However, it is unreasonable to be unreceptive to critique that says, simply, "projects that take this long to update after OS updates are not commercial grade." That is all I am saying. I hate the implication that just because software is free it should just be accepted that it is not well supported - if that is the point that is being made, corporate users simply won't be using the software in question.

felipelemos 10y ago

Is there anything similar for Linux?

arximboldi 10y ago
Seahorse? https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Seahorse/ https://wiki.gnome.org/Apps/Seahorse/