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Honestly, even Google is more ethical. Google is at the top in Mobile. Yet Android is 90% Open Source. It's not that even that. If I want to install an APK, I

Honestly, even Google is more ethical. Google is at the top in Mobile. Yet Android is 90% Open Source. It's not that even that. If I want to install an APK, I can do it. No need to be a Enterprise or pay $100 for a developer license, anyone can install FDroid. And they let people write competitive software (Firefox, etc.) and set them as default. Actually, as a user, I don't have to see anything be Google if I don't want to. And don't forget open sourcing TensorFlow.

Dayshine 10y ago
And then there's Chrome...
- blibble 10y ago
  which is 99.99% open source (Chromium), and forms the basis of several competitors to Chrome? compared to the openness of Edge/IE, Google are saints with Chrome
  - nacs 10y ago
    > (Chromium), and forms the basis of several competitors to Chrome Chromium was based on Webkit which actually came from Apple (and who forked it from KHTML from the KDE project). It's not Chromium that's the "basis" of competitors, it's Webkit that was the base.
    - Nullabillity 10y ago
      By that logic, KHTML/Konqueror should get all the credit. But AFAIK V8 (which most of those forks use) also has pretty much nothing to do with JSCore.
- MertsA 10y ago
  What are your objections to Chrome? Chromium seems like a reasonable project and everything that's not in Chromium seems to be pretty well Google specific and probably shouldn't be in Chromium IMHO.
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Ludd1t3 10y ago
Is Android any different from Windows in that sense? It's open source in name only. All development is done behind closed doors and essentially dumped out in the open when Google determines it's ready for a release. No one else has say in the development process and you can't contribute changes either. All the other things you mentioned, can also be done on Windows. I am not sure how that's different than what Windows does/is doing.
- Nullabillity 10y ago
  Openness is about being able to modify it and share it with people, not about being able to get Android to adopt it. For a long time even the GNU project had a similar cathedral-style approach of secretive development processes and no outside contributions. You might have a point when there is a CyanogenMod/LineageOS equivalent for Windows.
- greenhouse_gas 10y ago
  1. Most of Android is Open Source - see Amazon Fire, for example. Is there an equivalent of that on windows? 2. MS took apple's approach that everything (on their new platform) must go through the store. Even if right now they give exceptions, it's as I said above an example of them trying to build market share. Will they have an "Unknown Sources" button when they get 80% of the market?

Dayshine 10y ago

And then there's Chrome...

blibble 10y ago
which is 99.99% open source (Chromium), and forms the basis of several competitors to Chrome? compared to the openness of Edge/IE, Google are saints with Chrome
- nacs 10y ago
  > (Chromium), and forms the basis of several competitors to Chrome Chromium was based on Webkit which actually came from Apple (and who forked it from KHTML from the KDE project). It's not Chromium that's the "basis" of competitors, it's Webkit that was the base.
  - Nullabillity 10y ago
    By that logic, KHTML/Konqueror should get all the credit. But AFAIK V8 (which most of those forks use) also has pretty much nothing to do with JSCore.
MertsA 10y ago
What are your objections to Chrome? Chromium seems like a reasonable project and everything that's not in Chromium seems to be pretty well Google specific and probably shouldn't be in Chromium IMHO.
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Ludd1t3 10y ago

Is Android any different from Windows in that sense? It's open source in name only. All development is done behind closed doors and essentially dumped out in the open when Google determines it's ready for a release. No one else has say in the development process and you can't contribute changes either. All the other things you mentioned, can also be done on Windows. I am not sure how that's different than what Windows does/is doing.

Nullabillity 10y ago
Openness is about being able to modify it and share it with people, not about being able to get Android to adopt it. For a long time even the GNU project had a similar cathedral-style approach of secretive development processes and no outside contributions. You might have a point when there is a CyanogenMod/LineageOS equivalent for Windows.
greenhouse_gas 10y ago
1. Most of Android is Open Source - see Amazon Fire, for example. Is there an equivalent of that on windows? 2. MS took apple's approach that everything (on their new platform) must go through the store. Even if right now they give exceptions, it's as I said above an example of them trying to build market share. Will they have an "Unknown Sources" button when they get 80% of the market?