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Some things you'll probably find annoying: macbook shortcut keys kinda suck (in windows they're pretty much always ctrl+something, in mac, some are ctrl+somethi

by lhorie 10y ago

Some things you'll probably find annoying: macbook shortcut keys kinda suck (in windows they're pretty much always ctrl+something, in mac, some are ctrl+something, some are command+something, some are option+something, some are fn+something, and combos w/ 2 or 3 modifier keys are fairly common. Learning those shortcuts is a pain in the ass too because you have to mentally translate the cryptic icons you find in menus into actual words, as opposed to just reading the words as you would in windows). I have yet to find a good drop-in replacement for notepad++ for mac. Atom is ok, but it lags noticeably, if you're used to n++ snappiness. Other editors I've tried in the past had similar issues. Finder is significantly underpowered compared to explorer. For example, you can't cut and paste, or setup default file associations with the same level of ease as windows. Also, navigability kinda sucks. Tabbing between windows of a same app (e.g. multiple finder windows, or going from a chrome window to chrome incognito window) is impossible via any modifier+tab combo.

stephenr 10y ago
Wat macOS keyboard shortcuts have always been better - more consistent by default and fully configurable for apps with a native menu bar. Finder.app has had support for "move to here" after a copy since 2011 Cmd-tab cycles apps, Cmd-Tilde cycles windows of the app. Why are you so stuck on it being the tab key?
- lhorie 10y ago
  It's annoying (to me) because of muscle memory. Maybe it's "better" for you if you're already used to the way mac does things, but the OP mentioned 15 years on windows, and this is my opinion on the transition experience, coming from the same place. > macOS keyboard shortcuts have always been better - more consistent by default In windows, cut+paste is always ctrl+x > ctrl+v. In mac chrome/atom, it is command+x > command+v, but in finder it's not. In explorer and in apps, select via up/down > enter opens things, in finder it enters rename mode. In windows, app-level tabbing is ctrl+tab, in mac sometimes it's alt+`, sometimes ctrl+tab. In windows, show desktop is a one-handed shortcut, in a MBP it's not (fn+f11). In windows virtually everything is right-clickable. In launchpad, for example, right click doesn't do anything, and some icons can't be removed via the hold > jiggle flow. In mac chrome, command+shift+n is incognito mode, but command+option+i opens console. command+shift+i of course opens mail. etc etc etc
  - stephenr 10y ago
    > in finder it's not The finder doesn't have cut. It has "move" as an alternative to "paste". App level window switching is always command-~ (tilde). Any app doing otherwise is non standard. Macs have had a show-desktop keyboard button for years. Virtually everything is righ clickable in macos. You've picked one case where it isn't. macs have multiple modifier keys, that's a fact. For most technical users I'd say that's a positive. There's only so many combinations you can make with one modifier key.
    - lhorie 10y ago
      > Macs have had a show-desktop keyboard button for years. My MBP definitely doesn't have one :( > macs have multiple modifier keys, that's a fact. For most technical users I'd say that's a positive. There's only so many combinations you can make with one modifier key. True. Personally, I feel like windows has put more thought into it, since the vast majority of commonly used shortcuts are ctrl+something there (and some are even easier, being simply f1-f12), which makes them very easy to memorize them. I get the rationale for things in macs if I stop and think about it (like the move vs paste thing), but that's the thing, I need to stop and think about it, because it's not ingrained in muscle memory :(

by lhorie 10y ago

stephenr 10y ago

Wat macOS keyboard shortcuts have always been better - more consistent by default and fully configurable for apps with a native menu bar. Finder.app has had support for "move to here" after a copy since 2011 Cmd-tab cycles apps, Cmd-Tilde cycles windows of the app. Why are you so stuck on it being the tab key?

lhorie 10y ago
It's annoying (to me) because of muscle memory. Maybe it's "better" for you if you're already used to the way mac does things, but the OP mentioned 15 years on windows, and this is my opinion on the transition experience, coming from the same place. > macOS keyboard shortcuts have always been better - more consistent by default In windows, cut+paste is always ctrl+x > ctrl+v. In mac chrome/atom, it is command+x > command+v, but in finder it's not. In explorer and in apps, select via up/down > enter opens things, in finder it enters rename mode. In windows, app-level tabbing is ctrl+tab, in mac sometimes it's alt+`, sometimes ctrl+tab. In windows, show desktop is a one-handed shortcut, in a MBP it's not (fn+f11). In windows virtually everything is right-clickable. In launchpad, for example, right click doesn't do anything, and some icons can't be removed via the hold > jiggle flow. In mac chrome, command+shift+n is incognito mode, but command+option+i opens console. command+shift+i of course opens mail. etc etc etc
- stephenr 10y ago
  > in finder it's not The finder doesn't have cut. It has "move" as an alternative to "paste". App level window switching is always command-~ (tilde). Any app doing otherwise is non standard. Macs have had a show-desktop keyboard button for years. Virtually everything is righ clickable in macos. You've picked one case where it isn't. macs have multiple modifier keys, that's a fact. For most technical users I'd say that's a positive. There's only so many combinations you can make with one modifier key.
  - lhorie 10y ago
    > Macs have had a show-desktop keyboard button for years. My MBP definitely doesn't have one :( > macs have multiple modifier keys, that's a fact. For most technical users I'd say that's a positive. There's only so many combinations you can make with one modifier key. True. Personally, I feel like windows has put more thought into it, since the vast majority of commonly used shortcuts are ctrl+something there (and some are even easier, being simply f1-f12), which makes them very easy to memorize them. I get the rationale for things in macs if I stop and think about it (like the move vs paste thing), but that's the thing, I need to stop and think about it, because it's not ingrained in muscle memory :(