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Perhaps a better title would be "The Truth About NYT's Level of Scrutiny toward Wikileaks Tweets".

mmaunder 10y ago
I've found that journos rely on sources to essentially write their story for them and many clearly know nothing about the subject they're covering. I don't think they realize this is the reason many people don't get their news from main stream media anymore. Because you can just read the source's blog and twitter feed. So in this case a journo is frustrated that a source who they should have been able to echo, and call that news, has their own agenda.
- n72 10y ago
  You should maybe check out who @zeynep is before you suggest she knows nothing about this subject.
  - dtornabene 10y ago
    seconded. amazing that comments like parent are bright and shiny.
oasisbob 10y ago
Read in the context of criticism to The Guardian's recent Whatsapp article, I think the motivation for this NYT article start to make more sense: http://technosociology.org/?page_id=1687 http://technosociology.org/?page_id=1687
justaguyonline 10y ago
Or maybe, "The Truth About the Media's Persistent Vulnerability to Convenient Misinformation" I mean: We're still dealing with climate change denialism after years of the media allowing false equivalence to obscure the overwhelming scientific consensus around it. Major news organizations will run headlines based straight off the contents of tweets by wikileaks inspite of their repeated false claims in the past like with the "leaks" post-coup in Turkey, or Assange's statements about the Panama papers It's stuff like this that give me, someone who believes fake news are just articles about things that didn't happen published by news organizations that don't exist on social media, major trust issues with American media today (and don't even get me started on British media)
- hackuser 10y ago
  > after years of the media allowing false equivalence to obscure the overwhelming scientific consensus around it Grouping all "media" together isn't meaningful; it's like saying "all programmers are lazy". It doesn't provide information that helps identify and solve a problem. Some specific news outlets, especially Fox and the WSJ, actively promote climate denial.
  - justaguyonline 10y ago
    I understand what you're saying and agree about Fox and WSJ, but the fact is for years all major media corporations gave airtime to "opposing arguments" made by Think Tank talking heads on global warming despite the universal scientific agreement on it. That's what I mean by false equivalence and that's the attitude, and not purposeful misinformation by some outlets, that's the problem. Yes, mainstream media has gotten better about that topic in particular, but in general journalists still go for the easier "stories" that can be portrayed as competing sides, or simple narratives in general rather than what would actually inform people about the world.
    - hackuser 10y ago
      > in general journalists still go for the easier "stories" that can be portrayed as competing sides, or simple narratives in general rather than what would actually inform people about the world. Journalists, AFAIK, are supposed to avoid inserting their own judgement, give the reader the information (including opinions of different sides), and let the reader make their own decisions. We can say that journalists should present "facts", but who says what the facts are? In the end, it comes down to expressed judgments by humans. That being said, that can be taken to too much of an extreme, as it has been with climate change. I don't need opposing opinions about whether the Sun will rise tomorrow.
norikki 10y ago
The problem with this article isnt that the NYT fails to take responisbility for their poor reporting, it's the implication that "there's nothing to see here folks, wikileaks is just paper tiger" as depicted in the accompanying image. The tweet doesnt matter, the illegal domestic spying operations do.
- willstrafach 10y ago
  > the illegal domestic spying operations do. There is zero evidence of this within the leak.
  - norikki 10y ago
    Yes, obviously no one is going to jail for it, but it's still illegal in that it blatently violates the 4th amendment of the US constitution.

I've found that journos rely on sources to essentially write their story for them and many clearly know nothing about the subject they're covering. I don't think they realize this is the reason many people don't get their news from main stream media anymore. Because you can just read the source's blog and twitter feed. So in this case a journo is frustrated that a source who they should have been able to echo, and call that news, has their own agenda.

n72 10y ago
You should maybe check out who @zeynep is before you suggest she knows nothing about this subject.
- dtornabene 10y ago
  seconded. amazing that comments like parent are bright and shiny.

oasisbob 10y ago

Read in the context of criticism to The Guardian's recent Whatsapp article, I think the motivation for this NYT article start to make more sense: http://technosociology.org/?page_id=1687 http://technosociology.org/?page_id=1687

justaguyonline 10y ago

Or maybe, "The Truth About the Media's Persistent Vulnerability to Convenient Misinformation" I mean: We're still dealing with climate change denialism after years of the media allowing false equivalence to obscure the overwhelming scientific consensus around it. Major news organizations will run headlines based straight off the contents of tweets by wikileaks inspite of their repeated false claims in the past like with the "leaks" post-coup in Turkey, or Assange's statements about the Panama papers It's stuff like this that give me, someone who believes fake news are just articles about things that didn't happen published by news organizations that don't exist on social media, major trust issues with American media today (and don't even get me started on British media)

hackuser 10y ago
> after years of the media allowing false equivalence to obscure the overwhelming scientific consensus around it Grouping all "media" together isn't meaningful; it's like saying "all programmers are lazy". It doesn't provide information that helps identify and solve a problem. Some specific news outlets, especially Fox and the WSJ, actively promote climate denial.
- justaguyonline 10y ago
  I understand what you're saying and agree about Fox and WSJ, but the fact is for years all major media corporations gave airtime to "opposing arguments" made by Think Tank talking heads on global warming despite the universal scientific agreement on it. That's what I mean by false equivalence and that's the attitude, and not purposeful misinformation by some outlets, that's the problem. Yes, mainstream media has gotten better about that topic in particular, but in general journalists still go for the easier "stories" that can be portrayed as competing sides, or simple narratives in general rather than what would actually inform people about the world.
  - hackuser 10y ago
    > in general journalists still go for the easier "stories" that can be portrayed as competing sides, or simple narratives in general rather than what would actually inform people about the world. Journalists, AFAIK, are supposed to avoid inserting their own judgement, give the reader the information (including opinions of different sides), and let the reader make their own decisions. We can say that journalists should present "facts", but who says what the facts are? In the end, it comes down to expressed judgments by humans. That being said, that can be taken to too much of an extreme, as it has been with climate change. I don't need opposing opinions about whether the Sun will rise tomorrow.

norikki 10y ago

The problem with this article isnt that the NYT fails to take responisbility for their poor reporting, it's the implication that "there's nothing to see here folks, wikileaks is just paper tiger" as depicted in the accompanying image. The tweet doesnt matter, the illegal domestic spying operations do.

willstrafach 10y ago
> the illegal domestic spying operations do. There is zero evidence of this within the leak.
- norikki 10y ago
  Yes, obviously no one is going to jail for it, but it's still illegal in that it blatently violates the 4th amendment of the US constitution.