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Curious: Do you think Hillary Clinton is still at risk of being jailed? I mean, do you generally believe campaign promises, or do you selectively believe them?

by jpttsn 10y ago

mikeash 10y ago
Are we just pretending that Rudy Giuliani didn't outright say this was what it was?
- jpttsn 10y ago
  Not at all, but I don't trust Rudy Giuliani. There seems to be agreement that this administration lies in a new and blatant way. I want to stop taking their word for things across the board. Part of that is not trusting their admissions of "guilt", the same way that I don't trust their admissions of "innocence".
  - mikeash 10y ago
    They do sometimes tell the truth. Their animosity towards Muslims seems to be real, not a lie. There seems to be no other adequate explanation for the travel ban (the people who would push it as a rational security measure would also have been smarter about it) so I think this is a case where they can be believed.
    - jpttsn 10y ago
      I think the travel ban could serve any number of non-obvious political purposes. A show of power? A distraction from less unusual political changes? A way to get press (albeit negative)? A way to decrease overall immigration? Security theater? Airline stewards want me to turn off my cellphone. I can't think of a good reason, but that doesn't mean I'll believe the reason they state, when it makes no sense.
      - biafra 10y ago
        The reason they usually do not tell you is that cell networks on the ground do not handle phones well that are visible in too many wide spread out cell towers. If planes were in danger because of turned on phones they would check for them much more thoroughly and also check lugagge for turned on phones.
pcwalton 10y ago
I believe that Donald Trump wants to implement all of his campaign promises, including banning Muslims from the country and prosecuting Hillary Clinton. I do not believe that he will be able to do all of those things. At least in some cases, either Trump or his trusted advisers know this, so he won't actively try. I suspect (but don't know) that prosecuting Clinton is in this category.

Curious: Do you think Hillary Clinton is still at risk of being jailed? I mean, do you generally believe campaign promises, or do you selectively believe them?

by jpttsn 10y ago

Curious: Do you think Hillary Clinton is still at risk of being jailed? I mean, do you generally believe campaign promises, or do you selectively believe them?

mikeash 10y ago

Are we just pretending that Rudy Giuliani didn't outright say this was what it was?

jpttsn 10y ago
Not at all, but I don't trust Rudy Giuliani. There seems to be agreement that this administration lies in a new and blatant way. I want to stop taking their word for things across the board. Part of that is not trusting their admissions of "guilt", the same way that I don't trust their admissions of "innocence".
- mikeash 10y ago
  They do sometimes tell the truth. Their animosity towards Muslims seems to be real, not a lie. There seems to be no other adequate explanation for the travel ban (the people who would push it as a rational security measure would also have been smarter about it) so I think this is a case where they can be believed.
  - jpttsn 10y ago
    I think the travel ban could serve any number of non-obvious political purposes. A show of power? A distraction from less unusual political changes? A way to get press (albeit negative)? A way to decrease overall immigration? Security theater? Airline stewards want me to turn off my cellphone. I can't think of a good reason, but that doesn't mean I'll believe the reason they state, when it makes no sense.
    - biafra 10y ago
      The reason they usually do not tell you is that cell networks on the ground do not handle phones well that are visible in too many wide spread out cell towers. If planes were in danger because of turned on phones they would check for them much more thoroughly and also check lugagge for turned on phones.

pcwalton 10y ago

I believe that Donald Trump wants to implement all of his campaign promises, including banning Muslims from the country and prosecuting Hillary Clinton. I do not believe that he will be able to do all of those things. At least in some cases, either Trump or his trusted advisers know this, so he won't actively try. I suspect (but don't know) that prosecuting Clinton is in this category.