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This can't happens fast enough. I have been having a fantastic time with Go... Up until the point I have to add a new package to my projects and go through CI
by joaodlf 10y ago
This can't happens fast enough.
I have been having a fantastic time with Go... Up until the point I have to add a new package to my projects and go through CI and deployment.
Glide works mostly OK, but it's not the final solution, that's for sure. Even big packages on github fail to produce releases, so you have to depend on master branches... One day your builds just decide to break. It's a nightmare.
- garfij 10y agoI haven't used Glide (only govendor) so I'm not sure exactly how it works. Are you checking your dependencies into your repository (we do this, it works very well). If not, are you pinning specific commit hashes? Is that even possible in Glide? AFAIK those are the only two ways to get even close to reproducible builds.
- joaodlf 10y agoCommit hashes seem to be the way to go, for sure, at least to be safe. I really don't want to put our vendor content in the repos. It's just a tad absurd when you're used to mature package managers in other languages.
- eikenberry 10y agoBut they all have to vendor as well if they want reliable builds. Otherwise you end up with everything breaking when a developer decides to do a forced push or take his repo off github.
- stepik777 10y agoNot if there is a central repository which doesn't allow removal of packages.
- zellyn 10y agoWell, you can vendor, or you can have an internal mirror/cache of repositories.
- sdboyer 10y agoForce pushes - by far more common than straight-up repository removal - are handled without problem; we let you stick with your old version. (At least, that's how it should be - there might be a couple more test cases to write. I know I designed for this problem early on). Repo removal, renaming, or whatever, are still problems, for sure. Today, dep populates vendor/ with dependencies, and works equally well whether you decide to commit them or not.
- weberc2 10y agoHonestly, most package managers just bring their own problems. I'd rather commit source code than troubleshoot npm, pip, nix, maven, etc errors all day long. The only package manager I've found that works reliably has been Cargo (Rust).
- zellyn 10y agoThere has been a lot of talking between the committee that created `dep` and folks who've implemented other systems, including Cargo. I have high hopes.
- sdboyer 10y agoindeed, we've talked with them quite a bit :)
- RangerScience 10y agoI don't think I've ever had a problem with Bundler.
- OhSoHumble 10y agoMe neither. In fact, I rarely have trouble with package managers. They're amazing.
- weberc2 10y agoI envy you. I use Nix, pip, and npm on a daily basis and it's an uphill battle. I haven't used Bundler.
- OhSoHumble 10y agoWell, nix looks awfully complicated. I've had trouble deploying applications using pip. Npm hasn't given me any trouble. Bundler is lovely.
- zellyn 10y agoI believe the current intended use is a human-editable "manifest file" where you specify desires/intent, preferably semver, ideally only as necessary, and a machine-generated "lock file" which specifies the actual hash of every transitive dependency, so builds are fully specified and reproducible.
- camus2 10y ago> Are you checking your dependencies into your repository (we do this, it works very well). it work if you are working on a project, it does not if you are library author who rely on other dependencies.
- sdboyer 10y agoin a post-dep world, this won't matter anymore. dep strips vendor directories out of any dependencies it pulls in.
- rem7 10y agoWhen dep removed the vendor folders from the other libraries, How does dep handle multiple libraries that depend on the same library but different versions of it?
- lobster_johnson 10y agoGlide lets you pin dependencies to specific commits (the "version" key takes a semver version constraint, a branch name or a commit hash), and transitive dependencies will be pinned via the lockfile, so it works even if the implicitly included dependencies don't use versioning. The main problem with Glide is that it's buggy. It also lacks some important features. You still can't do "glide update" on a single dependency, for example. It's all or nothing.
- sdboyer 10y agoyeah, this is one of the main pain points there. the reason it's so difficult to solve in glide is intrinsically tied to the engine glide uses for version selection - otherwise we'd have dealt with it long ago.
- zeveb 10y agoWhat I don't get is why more folks don't just use per-project GOPATHs. I have all my stuff in $PROJECT/src/$PROJECT, and all the dependencies are git submodules in $PROJECT/src/, and it all Just Works. Perfectly. git submodule is a bit of an annoyance, but it works. Anyone fetching my project just checks everything out, and it all Just Works™. It's a lot better than using a dependency-management tool and shared GOPATH, at least in my experience.
- camus2 10y ago> What I don't get is why more folks don't just use per-project GOPATHs. because that's not how go works. You need extra work to make it work. That's not up to debate anymore anyway, dep will be the official package manager and will be merged with the rest of the official ecosystem.
- zeveb 10y agoWhat do you mean 'that's not how go works'? Go provides GOPATH: using a different GOPATH for each of my projects works, and it works really well. > You need extra work to make it work. What extra work? I set GOPATH, and everything just works. What more is there? > That's not up to debate anymore anyway Neither were type aliases, until they were, except they aren't. I have no idea what dep adds that using the standard GOPATH doesn't do: I've read the background and the docs, and I'm familiar with using the vendor directory in the past; frankly, now that I've switched to using GOPATH all of those things look like a mistake. It all reads like tha Javafication of Go.
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- OhSoHumble 10y agoI agree. I have a friend who likes the concept of Go but refuses to try it out unless it has a good dependency management solution.