Thank you very much for adding some useful experience here. Obviously there are poor who really don't want to be. And there are some who really do just refuse

Thank you very much for adding some useful experience here. Obviously there are poor who really don't want to be. And there are some who really do just refuse to do the basic things one needs to do to not be poor. Too many people act like one of these groups can't possibly exist. So many people seem to think it's evil or unthinkable to even suggest what you're saying is real to any degree. It's really just a question of how many. Considering how well some refugee groups (e.g. Viet boat people) have done starting from absolutely nothing in America, I'm willing to believe there is a path up for people willing to take the basic actions required to climb it.