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> I have no problem with them optimizing for impact. But they refuse to admit that is what they are doing. It disingenuous at the very least. They've stated th

> I have no problem with them optimizing for impact. But they refuse to admit that is what they are doing. It disingenuous at the very least. They've stated that's exactly what they're doing in several pieces. > It's not "mistake" if PII is revealed in every single release. There are dozens of other organizations that have strong records on this. wikileaks is not one of them. Likely because those "dozens of other organizations" don't publish many leaks and especially not in anything approaching raw form - every single leak I've seen in a major paper has been heavily filtered down and distilled into a specific narrative. WikiLeaks just publishes with minimal editing - any narrative from them is completely separated from the leaks. That rawness is what makes them better than other approaches for getting real information out, but it's also what makes them worse at censoring that information.

cmac2992 10y ago
I'm not sure how we can square, "we are neutral", "we are optimizing for impact", "our goal is to create conflict within the government". >WikiLeaks just publishes with minimal editing - any narrative from them is completely separated from the leaks Wikileaks in king of clickbait and creating false impressions of what data they are and aren't releasing. Just look at their twitter account. There are even reports of withholding entire data sets when it doesn't fit their narrative. I am on board for the premise of WikiLeaks is trying to do, but they have flatly failed in the execution.
- problems 10y ago
  > I'm not sure how we can square, "we are neutral", "we are optimizing for impact", "our goal is to create conflict within the government". I don't see any real conflict here. > There are even reports of withholding entire data sets when it doesn't fit their narrative. I highly doubt that's true simply because nothing prevents a leaker from going to another source and saying so if they're refusing to publish. We'd certainly hear about it if it were. > I am on board for the premise of WikiLeaks is trying to do, but they have flatly failed in the execution. I think that's more your personal political opinions showing than anything to do with WL's actions. While they've had slips, overall they've been very successful. The recent CIA leak and their handling of it so far is an excellent demonstration of this.

cmac2992 10y ago

I'm not sure how we can square, "we are neutral", "we are optimizing for impact", "our goal is to create conflict within the government". >WikiLeaks just publishes with minimal editing - any narrative from them is completely separated from the leaks Wikileaks in king of clickbait and creating false impressions of what data they are and aren't releasing. Just look at their twitter account. There are even reports of withholding entire data sets when it doesn't fit their narrative. I am on board for the premise of WikiLeaks is trying to do, but they have flatly failed in the execution.

problems 10y ago
> I'm not sure how we can square, "we are neutral", "we are optimizing for impact", "our goal is to create conflict within the government". I don't see any real conflict here. > There are even reports of withholding entire data sets when it doesn't fit their narrative. I highly doubt that's true simply because nothing prevents a leaker from going to another source and saying so if they're refusing to publish. We'd certainly hear about it if it were. > I am on board for the premise of WikiLeaks is trying to do, but they have flatly failed in the execution. I think that's more your personal political opinions showing than anything to do with WL's actions. While they've had slips, overall they've been very successful. The recent CIA leak and their handling of it so far is an excellent demonstration of this.