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Some European prisons are way better than the best America's pay fof jail schemes. America's jails are places where people got to get abused rather than get re

Some European prisons are way better than the best America's pay fof jail schemes. America's jails are places where people got to get abused rather than get rehabilitated, so what is the big deal about some people paying for a better environment?

Someone1234 10y ago
> so what is the big deal about some people paying for a better environment? Because it incentives the private prison to make the situation even worse for those who fail to pay. Effectively the worse they make the "free" the more money they make. To use an analogy, it is like Amazon Prime, when Amazon Prime first started free shipping was at $25 minimum order. Last year free shipping was at $49. Why? To incentivise Prime memberships. Only competition from Walmart forced them to bring it back down to $35. So back to prisons... If this became popular, we'd see more prisons who offer zero privacy as the "free" option (e.g. shared bunk beds) all as a means to "incentivise" (blackmail) prisoners into paying for a semi-private or private room. Plus when you take into account the safety aspect, the whole thing becomes immoral. You're literally forcing prisoners to pay so they can sleep safely at night, otherwise they might get shanked while they sleep (or not get any sleep due to fear). US prisons are already much less safe than most European, Canadian, or AUS/NZ prisons.
Toboe 10y ago
>America's jails are places where people got to get abused rather than get rehabilitated, so what is the big deal about some people paying for a better environment? Because the general ideal for justice is punishment to be based on guilt, not ability to pay for a lessening of guilt. And allowing some to pay for not going there may be seen as furthering the problem, by making influental people less likely to suffer the same consequences and inspire prisons to treat "second class" inmates worse to increase the motivation to buy an upgrade to "first class"

Someone1234 10y ago

> so what is the big deal about some people paying for a better environment? Because it incentives the private prison to make the situation even worse for those who fail to pay. Effectively the worse they make the "free" the more money they make. To use an analogy, it is like Amazon Prime, when Amazon Prime first started free shipping was at $25 minimum order. Last year free shipping was at $49. Why? To incentivise Prime memberships. Only competition from Walmart forced them to bring it back down to $35. So back to prisons... If this became popular, we'd see more prisons who offer zero privacy as the "free" option (e.g. shared bunk beds) all as a means to "incentivise" (blackmail) prisoners into paying for a semi-private or private room. Plus when you take into account the safety aspect, the whole thing becomes immoral. You're literally forcing prisoners to pay so they can sleep safely at night, otherwise they might get shanked while they sleep (or not get any sleep due to fear). US prisons are already much less safe than most European, Canadian, or AUS/NZ prisons.

Toboe 10y ago

>America's jails are places where people got to get abused rather than get rehabilitated, so what is the big deal about some people paying for a better environment? Because the general ideal for justice is punishment to be based on guilt, not ability to pay for a lessening of guilt. And allowing some to pay for not going there may be seen as furthering the problem, by making influental people less likely to suffer the same consequences and inspire prisons to treat "second class" inmates worse to increase the motivation to buy an upgrade to "first class"