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Anecdotal evidence. I used to feel more strongly of the 100% qualified and I know many other men who have as well. There was a point in college that I didn't a

Anecdotal evidence. I used to feel more strongly of the 100% qualified and I know many other men who have as well. There was a point in college that I didn't apply for a scholarship because I didn't have the 3.0 GPA requirement at the time, I had like a 2.95 About 7 months later I found out that a student with a 2.2 GPA had received the scholarship because so few people had applied, they were able to give them to everyone who applied, regardless of qualifications. That was the moment I realized that not everything is written in stone and even if you don't stand a chance, you still should make an attempt at pursuing things. Indirectly, since then I have encouraged all my friends, both men and women to apply for jobs or things that they are interested in, regardless of qualifications. Sometimes interest/passion alone can help get you a job, or perhaps they will create a more junior position just for you; it is not unheard of to do such a thing. Since I learned the lesson, there has probably been at least 7 different times in my life, that a rule/qualification was bent or changed that benefited me, because I simply tried for it.

agmcleod 10y ago
Yep, this is a good mentality to have. I applied to a job after graduating from college that asked for 2-5+ years of experience. I was able to cite some project experience from school and from a 4 month co-op. Was enough to get an interview, and I took it from there to get a job offer.
rarec 10y ago
In many pursuits, from romantic to professional, let those in charge of choosing make the decision, don't decide for them. As the saying goes, fortune favors the bold.
- AnimalMuppet 10y ago
  Even in the trivial. Whenever some cashier asks me if I have a coupon, I say, "No, but you can give me one if you want". It pays off enough to be worth the ten seconds it takes to say.
Mz 10y ago
Since I learned the lesson, there has probably been at least 7 different times in my life, that a rule/qualification was bent or changed that benefited me, because I simply tried for it. If you are "the wrong kind of person," the rules are much less likely to bend for you. If you are the wrong skin color, wrong gender, wrong religion, whatever, going for it can get the rules thrown in your face while everyone accuses you of being an asshole who is trying to break the rules while, at the exact same time, they make exceptions for "the right kind of people." So, maybe consider that is what a lot of women are complaining about when they decry male privilege.
- ntsplnkv3 10y ago
  > going for it can get the rules thrown in your face while everyone accuses you of being an asshole who is trying to break the rules while, I don't doubt discrimination exists, and if this has been your personal experience, I'm sorry. It just seems foreign to me that someone would actually do this for a private role. If you don't match the skill set the algorithm will filter you out before anyone even knows you exist. If you get by it clearly the reviewer saw something they liked anyway. What recruiter is going to berate someone and call them an asshole for applying to a job they aren't qualified for? And if that was the case, I'd view it as a dodged bullet.
  - Mz 10y ago
    I was making a more general statement. I assume no recruiter would actually call you an asshole to your face, but that does not stop them from thinking you are an asshole who is trying to break the rules, while they fail to see that it works just fine that way for (insert whatever category it works for). I have made other pertinent remarks in this same discussion that support the idea that what keeps women out is not straight up sexism in terms of "No girls allowed in the boys club." But that doesn't change the fact that women do, at times, get excluded due to their gender and it is maddening when people try to act like that simply isn't a thing at all. The rules do get applied differently for different people. This is not just losers making excuses.
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agmcleod 10y ago

Yep, this is a good mentality to have. I applied to a job after graduating from college that asked for 2-5+ years of experience. I was able to cite some project experience from school and from a 4 month co-op. Was enough to get an interview, and I took it from there to get a job offer.

rarec 10y ago

In many pursuits, from romantic to professional, let those in charge of choosing make the decision, don't decide for them. As the saying goes, fortune favors the bold.

AnimalMuppet 10y ago
Even in the trivial. Whenever some cashier asks me if I have a coupon, I say, "No, but you can give me one if you want". It pays off enough to be worth the ten seconds it takes to say.

Mz 10y ago

Since I learned the lesson, there has probably been at least 7 different times in my life, that a rule/qualification was bent or changed that benefited me, because I simply tried for it. If you are "the wrong kind of person," the rules are much less likely to bend for you. If you are the wrong skin color, wrong gender, wrong religion, whatever, going for it can get the rules thrown in your face while everyone accuses you of being an asshole who is trying to break the rules while, at the exact same time, they make exceptions for "the right kind of people." So, maybe consider that is what a lot of women are complaining about when they decry male privilege.

ntsplnkv3 10y ago
> going for it can get the rules thrown in your face while everyone accuses you of being an asshole who is trying to break the rules while, I don't doubt discrimination exists, and if this has been your personal experience, I'm sorry. It just seems foreign to me that someone would actually do this for a private role. If you don't match the skill set the algorithm will filter you out before anyone even knows you exist. If you get by it clearly the reviewer saw something they liked anyway. What recruiter is going to berate someone and call them an asshole for applying to a job they aren't qualified for? And if that was the case, I'd view it as a dodged bullet.
- Mz 10y ago
  I was making a more general statement. I assume no recruiter would actually call you an asshole to your face, but that does not stop them from thinking you are an asshole who is trying to break the rules, while they fail to see that it works just fine that way for (insert whatever category it works for). I have made other pertinent remarks in this same discussion that support the idea that what keeps women out is not straight up sexism in terms of "No girls allowed in the boys club." But that doesn't change the fact that women do, at times, get excluded due to their gender and it is maddening when people try to act like that simply isn't a thing at all. The rules do get applied differently for different people. This is not just losers making excuses.

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