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What if it's because I oppose the muslim ban and refuse to enter the US? That's a serious question. Actually I feel like the response to that will be, "It's you

by chuhnk 10y ago

What if it's because I oppose the muslim ban and refuse to enter the US? That's a serious question. Actually I feel like the response to that will be, "It's your choice" but hey solidarity man!

discombobulate 10y ago
Have all Muslims been banned from the US? I thought it was only a set of countries draw up by Obama. Edit: Words are hard! Edit2: Yes, downvote me & upvote the hyperbole. Welcome to the post-fact world. All Muslims are banned. Trump is Hitler. The stock market's going to crash. Anyone right of Obama is racist scum who should lose their job. Etc.
- vinay427 10y ago
  I'm still trying to work out why many are so emphatic about the list being drawn up by Obama. It's not as if Trump signed a list without carefully reviewing and collecting evidence on the countries whose citizens' lives he would be directly affecting. I hope that wasn't the case, anyway...
  - discombobulate 10y ago
    > I'm still trying to work out why many are so emphatic about the list being drawn up by Obama. It's probably an attempt to show the delta between Obama & Trump isn't as large as some imagine.
- redditmigrant 10y ago
  Whats the rationale for banning even one? Were there any actual threats? There were certainly no attacks by immigrants/refugees from those countries. According to you we should wait for things to reach peak bigotry before reacting. Would you have the same "oh no big deal" reaction if a single Christian country was banned mainly for being christian?
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  - discombobulate 10y ago
    I don't think it's necessary to exaggerate the facts of the matter to argue against the policy. If anything, a falsehood weakens the position of the person making the argument. It's easier to defend the truth. It's more robust.
ruleabidinguser 10y ago
I wonder what action you want Ycombinator to take to satisfy your standards of solidarity? Should they leave America? Apparently (I could be wrong) its their view that remote startups are not ideal, so it seems like you suggest they either operate in undesirable circumstances or move.

by chuhnk 10y ago

What if it's because I oppose the muslim ban and refuse to enter the US? That's a serious question. Actually I feel like the response to that will be, "It's your choice" but hey solidarity man!

discombobulate 10y ago

Have all Muslims been banned from the US? I thought it was only a set of countries draw up by Obama. Edit: Words are hard! Edit2: Yes, downvote me & upvote the hyperbole. Welcome to the post-fact world. All Muslims are banned. Trump is Hitler. The stock market's going to crash. Anyone right of Obama is racist scum who should lose their job. Etc.

vinay427 10y ago
I'm still trying to work out why many are so emphatic about the list being drawn up by Obama. It's not as if Trump signed a list without carefully reviewing and collecting evidence on the countries whose citizens' lives he would be directly affecting. I hope that wasn't the case, anyway...
- discombobulate 10y ago
  > I'm still trying to work out why many are so emphatic about the list being drawn up by Obama. It's probably an attempt to show the delta between Obama & Trump isn't as large as some imagine.
redditmigrant 10y ago
Whats the rationale for banning even one? Were there any actual threats? There were certainly no attacks by immigrants/refugees from those countries. According to you we should wait for things to reach peak bigotry before reacting. Would you have the same "oh no big deal" reaction if a single Christian country was banned mainly for being christian?
- deleted 10y ago
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- discombobulate 10y ago
  I don't think it's necessary to exaggerate the facts of the matter to argue against the policy. If anything, a falsehood weakens the position of the person making the argument. It's easier to defend the truth. It's more robust.

ruleabidinguser 10y ago

I wonder what action you want Ycombinator to take to satisfy your standards of solidarity? Should they leave America? Apparently (I could be wrong) its their view that remote startups are not ideal, so it seems like you suggest they either operate in undesirable circumstances or move.