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Why is this person being downvoted? Let's face it, the West in general does a great job of not giving credit to Muslims as it should. Chemistry, Algebra, Algori

Why is this person being downvoted? Let's face it, the West in general does a great job of not giving credit to Muslims as it should. Chemistry, Algebra, Algorithms, Astronomy, the Scientific Method, etc.

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DarkKomunalec 10y ago
Yes, we should be more grateful Muslims attacked and conquered Spain, taking it from those evil colonialist Europeans.
- partycoder 10y ago
  You are mixing politics with cultural/scientific advancements. What you say is equivalent to saying that Germans and Soviets do not deserve recognition because they were our adversaries.
partycoder 10y ago
The Math genealogy project makes it very evident. Start following the tree: https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=204293 https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=204293 Students of his students include: Copernicus, Leibniz, many of the Bernoullis, Euler, Lagrange, Fourier, Poisson, Dirichlet.. and the list goes on and on...
detritus 10y ago
..and they too in turn should credit the Greeks and Indian cultures whose knowledge they transcribed!
- partycoder 10y ago
  They did. They preserved authorship in all their works. Their additions were in the form of footnotes, comments and original works. They translated works of Ptolomy, Euclid, Archimedes, Aristotle, Galen for us. They also produced very important works in Arabic, Persian, Hebrew, etc. I challenge you to find translators for those languages in Medieval Europe when literacy rate was less than 1%. Their contributions were objectively important and critical.
  - mason240 10y ago
    >I challenge you to find translators for those languages in Medieval Europe This is the Western European point of view I referenced in my other comment. These works were also being preserved in Latin and Greek in Constantinople for the entire duration of the Middle Ages in Western Europe and the rise and fall of the Golden Islamic Age.
    - partycoder 10y ago
      The ones that made it to Oxford and Paris first came from Toledo. Albert Magnus and his pupil Thomas Aquinas studied from Aristotle translations made in Toledo. Nicolaus Copernicus studied from Ptolomy books translated in Toledo. Roger Bacon studied from translations made in Toledo. So, stop trying to imply that translations came from Byzantium and not Al-Andalus.
mason240 10y ago
>Let's face it, the West in general does a great job of overstating Islamic contributions to Chemistry, Algebra, Algorithms, Astronomy, the Scientific Method, etc. More accurate. Ironically enough, this born out of a very Western European point of view. While progress had slowed in the West during the Middle Ages, it was continuing on in the Byzantine Empire. In the past, the Byzantines were not Christian enough to receive credit for their contributions by likes of Edward Gibbon, now it seems to have swung the other way and they are too Christian for contemporaries to go out of their way to praise.

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DarkKomunalec 10y ago

Yes, we should be more grateful Muslims attacked and conquered Spain, taking it from those evil colonialist Europeans.

partycoder 10y ago
You are mixing politics with cultural/scientific advancements. What you say is equivalent to saying that Germans and Soviets do not deserve recognition because they were our adversaries.

partycoder 10y ago

The Math genealogy project makes it very evident. Start following the tree: https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=204293 https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=204293 Students of his students include: Copernicus, Leibniz, many of the Bernoullis, Euler, Lagrange, Fourier, Poisson, Dirichlet.. and the list goes on and on...

detritus 10y ago

..and they too in turn should credit the Greeks and Indian cultures whose knowledge they transcribed!

partycoder 10y ago
They did. They preserved authorship in all their works. Their additions were in the form of footnotes, comments and original works. They translated works of Ptolomy, Euclid, Archimedes, Aristotle, Galen for us. They also produced very important works in Arabic, Persian, Hebrew, etc. I challenge you to find translators for those languages in Medieval Europe when literacy rate was less than 1%. Their contributions were objectively important and critical.
- mason240 10y ago
  >I challenge you to find translators for those languages in Medieval Europe This is the Western European point of view I referenced in my other comment. These works were also being preserved in Latin and Greek in Constantinople for the entire duration of the Middle Ages in Western Europe and the rise and fall of the Golden Islamic Age.
  - partycoder 10y ago
    The ones that made it to Oxford and Paris first came from Toledo. Albert Magnus and his pupil Thomas Aquinas studied from Aristotle translations made in Toledo. Nicolaus Copernicus studied from Ptolomy books translated in Toledo. Roger Bacon studied from translations made in Toledo. So, stop trying to imply that translations came from Byzantium and not Al-Andalus.

mason240 10y ago

>Let's face it, the West in general does a great job of overstating Islamic contributions to Chemistry, Algebra, Algorithms, Astronomy, the Scientific Method, etc. More accurate. Ironically enough, this born out of a very Western European point of view. While progress had slowed in the West during the Middle Ages, it was continuing on in the Byzantine Empire. In the past, the Byzantines were not Christian enough to receive credit for their contributions by likes of Edward Gibbon, now it seems to have swung the other way and they are too Christian for contemporaries to go out of their way to praise.