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Any of you saw the movie "Arrival"? Without spoiling anything, it drops an amazing concept, which is also exploited in the novel in a much subtler way, and it's
by dimillian 10y ago
Any of you saw the movie "Arrival"?
Without spoiling anything, it drops an amazing concept, which is also exploited in the novel in a much subtler way, and it's bugging me ever since.
In the movie, the "alien" are not perceiving time like us, they experience it in a circular way, they also write in a circular way. There is no beginning and no end to what they write, it just happen. The main character, after having studied them for a long time, start to think like them, and she start to experience time like them. So she merely exist in the present, past and future, she just exist.
You can take what you want, but for me it's like we maybe simply exist, at any given time, we can remember or/and live our past but also our future. We just exist, at any given moment of OUR time; You can BE at anytime between your birth and death. We're maybe just stuck in our current concept of time, like we maybe don't perceive other dimensions because they are "hidden" to our way of experiencing our world.
Enough talk anyway.
- Leftium 10y agoThis is a great visualization of how time could be the 10th dimension. It starts with one dimension, and works it way up. By studying how one dimension can be expanded into two, then three dimensions, it extrapolates and visualizes even higher dimensions. http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php http://www.tenthdimension.com/medialinks.php
- mysterypie 10y agoFor a non-physicist who's wondered why string theory imagines 10 dimensions--which seems like a totally arbitrary number--the short video above gives a nice visual explanation of why it should be 10 dimensions and not some other number.
- dimillian 10y agoThe problem I have with this video, is that while I find it amazing, someone could create a video about 15, 20 or 5 dimensions, and it would still make sens in my mind, with the right explanations.
- tfgg 10y agoThat video is basically nonsense and has nothing to do with string theory or physics.
- lngnmn 10y agoWhat makes you think that dimensions do exist?
- ep103 10y agoSounds like Philip K Dick's take on time. IIRC he had a mental breakdown at one point, and believed this is exactly how time works. That at any moment, you could be walking down the same street in 2000 AD, 4000AD, and 0 AD, and the same stories would be or could be unfolding
- dimillian 10y agoAre you talking about "Time out of Joint"? He wrote a novel about it.
- ntelson1s 10y agoCheck out Exegesis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exegesis_of_Philip_K._Dick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exegesis_of_Philip_K._Dick Pretty far out there though. He sort of went insane.
- T-A 10y agohttp://downlode.org/Etext/how_to_build.html http://downlode.org/Etext/how_to_build.html
- orless 10y agoActually based on a short story "Story of Your Life" by Ted Chiang: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_Your_Life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_Your_Life
- wavefunction 10y agoNot from what I know. PK Dick towards the end of his life believed himself to be living both in 1974 and as an early Christian named Thomas in the Levant sometime in the first century CE contemporaneously.
- orless 10y agoIt's easy to check: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2543164/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2543164/ Writers: Eric Heisserer (screenplay), Ted Chiang (based on the story "Story of Your Life" written by)
- msoucy 10y agoFor reference, the short story this is based on is "Story of Your Life"
- dimillian 10y agoExactly, it's a very short read, and I encourage anyone to read it!
- bostonpete 10y agoEven if all that were true, it seems moot because our memories are encoded in our brain. If you could suddenly transport to 10 years ago, you'd be reverting to the state of your brain at that time so you wouldn't remember doing so anyways. Ditto remembering the future -- your memories come from your brain, which is subject to time causality.
- dasil003 10y agoDualism offers a solution: your soul could have access to the timeless perspective and transmit that insight to your conscious self through whatever mechanism they are connected by.
- ASalazarMX 10y agoDualism is the technobabble of philosophy.
- xlm1717 10y agoThe movie builds on the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis. The basic idea is that language changes how we think. The main character starts to think like the "aliens" because she starts to learn their language.
- hypertexthero 10y ago> Thought is necessary, time is necessary. To go from here to there time is necessary. And thought is necessary to drive a car, to take a bus or train. Thought is necessary, time is necessary at that level. Now I am saying as thought and time are the root of fear, is thought and time necessary psychologically? Are they? As long as you think time and thought are necessary, in the psychological world, in the world of the self, in the world of psyche, in the world of inside the skin, then you will be perpetually in fear. If you perceive that, if there is perception, not acceptance, that thought and time are the root of fear, then thought and time are necessary at the physical level but inwardly are not. Therefore the brain is actively watching itself every minute to see that thought and time do not enter into the realm where they are not necessary. This requires great attention, awareness, so that the brain, which has accumulated fear for centuries, or for one day, sees where they are necessary and where they are not. It watches like a hawk so that thought and time don't enter into the whole process of living. This is real discipline, this is learning. The root meaning of that word is disciple, one who learns, who is learning all the time, who never says, "I have learnt" and halts. —Jiddu Krishnamurti, Saanen 4th Public Talk 15th July 1984 - To Be Human - https://books.google.com/books?id=S8TU01Dd3moC&pg=PA86&lpg=PA86&dq=Are+thought+and+time+necessary+psychologically&source=bl&ots=tnY8GfBsy1&sig=C5NUQIXI2TMraW1xM9iLDqzAyes&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiXvrvr38nSAhVpxYMKHdVgA1YQ6AEILzAD#v=onepage&q=Are%20thought%20and%20time%20necessary%20psychologically&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=S8TU01Dd3moC&pg=PA86&lpg=P...
- marcoperaza 10y agoThis is somewhat like my personal view of time. All points in time exist already, but because causality only flows in one direction (the Arrow of Time), the illusion of the passage of time is created. At any one point in time, your brain can only have stored memories about things that previously happened. This kind of ties into my more general hypothesis that the universe is a single mathematical structure. And that all possible mathematical structures are as real as ours. But only some structures have conscious components within them (e.g. us) who can observe. This does run into a wall with the Hard Problem of Consciousness. It's hard to imagine how a mathematical structure can produce self-awareness. But any alternate explanation is just as magical.
- unlmtd 10y agoMathematics is also mysticism. 1 is arbitrary. The senses can never perceive 1. So it is self-contained. There is no time without perception, and no perception without division. Consciousness perpetuates itself, but it has no reach outside its self-generated paradigm. Time is created by the witness, and the witness is time. It's a circle the mind cannot escape. If there is such a thing as a quantum computer, the mind cannot comprehend its output. Your hashes won't be broken.
- jksmith 10y agoThats the problem I had with the concept when I saw the movie. Is a "moment" a unit of measurement, a unit of change, what is it? How is that purely continuous?