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How does this stop illegal immigrants getting treated the same way they do now?

ThomPete 10y ago
You can pay out of pocket. The second you get into free healtcare you need to suddenly track things on federal and state level to make sure budgets are kept. I am a fan of single payer but its a very different beast and i am not sure its possible in a US context.
- ClassyJacket 10y ago
  So, right now, they have to pay out of pocket. With a public system, they can also pay out of pocket. So no difference. I don't know why Americans pretend that a public heathcare system necessarily means the sudden end to all private services overnight. Here in Australia you're more than welcome to have your own private insurance or pay out of pocket for treatment.
  - ThomPete 10y ago
    The number of illegal immigrants in the US is around 11 million. Healthcare is one of the most expensive posts in any society. The US system is not built for single payer model which means many other areas will have to change too. What normally happens when you make a public healthcare system and allow for private enterprise (which I am a fan of having) is that the primary burden (cancer, long term illness, major surgeries) are put in the hands of the public hospitals while the private ones deal more with things like cosmetic plastic surgery and other treatments which are lucrative. Most public healthcare systems with a single payer model have to heavily prioritize how man can get treatment, for what, with what kind of technology etc. It's not just a matter of switching from one kind of insurance model to another it's about turning hospitals into places who can't make money but have to adhere to a budget. It's a very very different kind of system that comes out of that and in a country like the US with that many illegal immigrant I am not sure it can work financially.
- mullen 10y ago
  Oh ya, Illegal immigrants totally pay their medicals bills after going to the emergency room.
  - ClassyJacket 10y ago
    Most countries just deny them public healthcare in the first place. You know, like happens already in the US right now.
    - ThomPete 10y ago
      The US system is more complex than that. There are plenty of illegal immigrants who get treated in the healthcare system today. As long as you have money you can get treated. In a public healthcare system you have to be identified as legal citizen in order to get access to the system. The system are going to have quotas of how many people are allowed to get treated with what etc. How do you think the general taxpayer is going to react to that? It's as simple as you try to make it sound like.

You can pay out of pocket. The second you get into free healtcare you need to suddenly track things on federal and state level to make sure budgets are kept. I am a fan of single payer but its a very different beast and i am not sure its possible in a US context.

ClassyJacket 10y ago
So, right now, they have to pay out of pocket. With a public system, they can also pay out of pocket. So no difference. I don't know why Americans pretend that a public heathcare system necessarily means the sudden end to all private services overnight. Here in Australia you're more than welcome to have your own private insurance or pay out of pocket for treatment.
- ThomPete 10y ago
  The number of illegal immigrants in the US is around 11 million. Healthcare is one of the most expensive posts in any society. The US system is not built for single payer model which means many other areas will have to change too. What normally happens when you make a public healthcare system and allow for private enterprise (which I am a fan of having) is that the primary burden (cancer, long term illness, major surgeries) are put in the hands of the public hospitals while the private ones deal more with things like cosmetic plastic surgery and other treatments which are lucrative. Most public healthcare systems with a single payer model have to heavily prioritize how man can get treatment, for what, with what kind of technology etc. It's not just a matter of switching from one kind of insurance model to another it's about turning hospitals into places who can't make money but have to adhere to a budget. It's a very very different kind of system that comes out of that and in a country like the US with that many illegal immigrant I am not sure it can work financially.
mullen 10y ago
Oh ya, Illegal immigrants totally pay their medicals bills after going to the emergency room.
- ClassyJacket 10y ago
  Most countries just deny them public healthcare in the first place. You know, like happens already in the US right now.
  - ThomPete 10y ago
    The US system is more complex than that. There are plenty of illegal immigrants who get treated in the healthcare system today. As long as you have money you can get treated. In a public healthcare system you have to be identified as legal citizen in order to get access to the system. The system are going to have quotas of how many people are allowed to get treated with what etc. How do you think the general taxpayer is going to react to that? It's as simple as you try to make it sound like.