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We are doomed.
by masterleep 10y ago
We are doomed.
- drdeadringer 10y agoWhy?
- tylersmith 10y agoBecause for hundreds of years collectivism has been accelerating and it's become nearly, if not entirely, out of control at this point.
- darkstar999 10y agoSerious question: what do you propose we do with the people dying in the street?
- tylersmith 10y agoMake them move out of the streets and into the country.
- drdeadringer 10y agoThat's the entire plan? Drop them off in the forest and drive off? There's a bit more to homelessness and surviving in the country.
- Apocryphon 10y agoAh yes, "collectivism." What you call that, the masses of humanity call civilization.
- tylersmith 10y agoExactly, that's the problem.
- Apocryphon 10y agoNo man is an island, but if you want to try, there's still wilderness out there to build utopian Galt's Gulches without even having to seastead.
- tylersmith 10y agoYes, we're working on it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOubCHLXT6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOubCHLXT6A
- Apocryphon 10y agoEnjoy your right of exit!
- carterehsmith 10y agoSo... are you one of the "Freemen on the land"?
- tylersmith 10y agoNo.
- carterehsmith 10y agoOk so I am curious about the "collectivism" story. I mean, we as species have been talking care of our elderly and injured for like what, 50,000 years or 100,000 years or whatever? Seems to be working well. And, if we all chip in, we can have nice things. Roads, water, electricity, museums, libraries, courts, police, etc. Is that bad?
- tylersmith 10y agoIf it's voluntary absolutely not. But when people fetishize collectivism the natural result is forced collectivism, which is just a rationalization of theft, robbery, and usually murder. That is bad.
- drdeadringer 10y agoNow tell us what you think of taxes or public education. My thoughts: I benefit from your children being educated on my dime. You and I benefit from infrastructure we both use maintained on our dime. It's not theft, robbery, murder, or bad or fetishize collectivism.
- carterehsmith 10y ago"forced collectivism". Ok, I guess you are from China. Did you experience theft, robbery and murder?
- tylersmith 10y agoTheft and robbery certainly. But obviously I have not been murdered which is nice. Luckier than manyl
- darkstar999 10y agoHow so?
- brutus1213 10y agoThis will likely be funded from income tax. As a mid-30s person who earns a decent tech salary and has zero hope of buying a house in the decent parts of the SF Bay area, I think this is another case of taking from the young to feed the old. We should totally do this single-payer thing and pay for it via a wealth tax (that takes the current price of your home into account). Lets make it tiny .. say 0.5% a year.
- mahyarm 10y agoYour workplace probably pays $500/month for your health insurance. If the employer has to stop paying that and you pay $500/month in taxes instead, it will be about break even anyway. Or even less, since I more forsee a %1-%2 tax increase vs. the current %4-6+ tax that is health insurance.
- stvswn 10y agoI think you're assuming that there won't be over-the-top optional healthcare that we'd all (as in, people w/ good insurance at the moment) have to buy in order to meet the same quality we currently have.
- mahyarm 10y agoJust going by my experience in Canada, most people don't buy too much extra. You still have to get dental & vision although, but the costs for that are minor. Many don't buy any health insurance at all.
- refurb 10y agoCanadians are also used to a very different level of healthcare. If you can convince a vast chunk of Americans to wait 12+ months for a joint replacement, then yes it could work.
- AnimalMuppet 10y agoLast I checked, single-payer health care in the US is not one of the signs of the apocalypse. Unless you mean "It's going to be designed by the California legislature, therefore we're doomed to a horrible and expensive failure", in which case, yeah, that seems likely.