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tptacek 10y ago
It is in no way true. It's dignifying Trump and his staff in ways that make it very hard to distinguish Altman from a supporter. The idea that Trump's success is in execution in any sense, let alone in the way a startup's is, is something you'd have a hard time selling in the pages of The National Review.
- budde 10y ago
  The most concerning thing to me is that after recognizing the parallels between the Trump campaign and the Silicon Valley ethos Altman's response wasn't to be introspective and consider if SV culture has been too boorish but rather to (seemingly) pay compliment to Trump's craftiness.
- chimeracoder 10y ago
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  - michaelchisari 10y ago
    putting out a travel ban which was challenged, and then revising it That's an interesting way to spin having your EO struck down as unconstitutional.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      The EO wasn't struck down as unconstitutional, it simply had a preliminary injunction issued against it, pending an actual trial on the merits. Retract and revise to reset that process to square one and avoid a final outcome on the merits is not a parricularly novel legal strategy; it's actually well-known, often abusive approach.
    - LyndsySimon 10y ago
      How is it fundamentally any different than Uber failing to provide insurance for their drivers until mid-2014? 1. Do something on the edge of legality 2. Get called on it 3. Change your actions going forward as little as possible to overcome legal resistance
    - deleted 10y ago
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  - tptacek 10y ago
    The crazy homeless guy on the corner is also an outsider who believes the system is broken, but nobody's giving him 5 at 20 post.
    - aerovistae 10y ago
      What does 5 at 20 post mean? Didn't see any results when I googled it.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  Trump had rallies daily during his run, sometimes 3 times a day, he met with business leaders big and small constantly. He even started his campaign right after getting elected so he can continue to speak to the people. He runs national surveys to ask the people (his customers) how they like the product (his presidency). Trump moves quickly and has implemented many of his campaign promises within the first few weeks of his term. He runs lean, his healthcare bill is about 1/8th the size of Obamacare. He runs under budget, he has returned a large portion of the funds allotted for his inauguration because he didn't need them. He moves with the wind, shifting his polices to the reality on the ground. He knows that social media is important and spends time engaging in that. If that isn't startup behavior what is? I'm sorry the truth may put him in a good light on this, but if Sam had lied in his response many people would have lost all trust for him.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > It is in no way true. It's true in a particularly shallow sense which trivializes significant differences in context and serves to normalize Trump's authoritarianism.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    I despair for the state of discourse when even your extremely measured comment gets down voted without anyone offering a counter argument.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      I'm going to break my policy of avoiding commenting on downvotes, especially of my own posts, just to say that my experience is that discussions that touch on currently hot political issues see an unusually high volume of voting activity, and I wouldn't read a lot about the level of discourse from a comment that tocuhes on those kinds of issues getting a few early dowbvotes, even if you view them as unfair downvotes. (Now, if comments get unfairly buried and stay that way, that's a cause for concern.)
- Danihan 10y ago
  He didn't achieve a massive mind-share and enough followers to win the election? Sounds like he executed well to me..
- philwelch 10y ago
  Refusing to take Trump seriously and treating him as a joke is how he got elected in the first place. Trump is a masterful demagogue whose innovations will be studied in political science for decades to come. He is also a profoundly evil, shallow, and narcissistic man who is in no way capable or qualified of holding the level of responsibility he has attained. But he's far from the first malignant narcissist to master the arts of demagoguery.

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It is in no way true. It's dignifying Trump and his staff in ways that make it very hard to distinguish Altman from a supporter. The idea that Trump's success is in execution in any sense, let alone in the way a startup's is, is something you'd have a hard time selling in the pages of The National Review.

budde 10y ago
The most concerning thing to me is that after recognizing the parallels between the Trump campaign and the Silicon Valley ethos Altman's response wasn't to be introspective and consider if SV culture has been too boorish but rather to (seemingly) pay compliment to Trump's craftiness.
chimeracoder 10y ago
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- michaelchisari 10y ago
  putting out a travel ban which was challenged, and then revising it That's an interesting way to spin having your EO struck down as unconstitutional.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    The EO wasn't struck down as unconstitutional, it simply had a preliminary injunction issued against it, pending an actual trial on the merits. Retract and revise to reset that process to square one and avoid a final outcome on the merits is not a parricularly novel legal strategy; it's actually well-known, often abusive approach.
  - LyndsySimon 10y ago
    How is it fundamentally any different than Uber failing to provide insurance for their drivers until mid-2014? 1. Do something on the edge of legality 2. Get called on it 3. Change your actions going forward as little as possible to overcome legal resistance
  - deleted 10y ago
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- tptacek 10y ago
  The crazy homeless guy on the corner is also an outsider who believes the system is broken, but nobody's giving him 5 at 20 post.
  - aerovistae 10y ago
    What does 5 at 20 post mean? Didn't see any results when I googled it.
cmdrfred 10y ago
Trump had rallies daily during his run, sometimes 3 times a day, he met with business leaders big and small constantly. He even started his campaign right after getting elected so he can continue to speak to the people. He runs national surveys to ask the people (his customers) how they like the product (his presidency). Trump moves quickly and has implemented many of his campaign promises within the first few weeks of his term. He runs lean, his healthcare bill is about 1/8th the size of Obamacare. He runs under budget, he has returned a large portion of the funds allotted for his inauguration because he didn't need them. He moves with the wind, shifting his polices to the reality on the ground. He knows that social media is important and spends time engaging in that. If that isn't startup behavior what is? I'm sorry the truth may put him in a good light on this, but if Sam had lied in his response many people would have lost all trust for him.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> It is in no way true. It's true in a particularly shallow sense which trivializes significant differences in context and serves to normalize Trump's authoritarianism.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  I despair for the state of discourse when even your extremely measured comment gets down voted without anyone offering a counter argument.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    I'm going to break my policy of avoiding commenting on downvotes, especially of my own posts, just to say that my experience is that discussions that touch on currently hot political issues see an unusually high volume of voting activity, and I wouldn't read a lot about the level of discourse from a comment that tocuhes on those kinds of issues getting a few early dowbvotes, even if you view them as unfair downvotes. (Now, if comments get unfairly buried and stay that way, that's a cause for concern.)
Danihan 10y ago
He didn't achieve a massive mind-share and enough followers to win the election? Sounds like he executed well to me..
philwelch 10y ago
Refusing to take Trump seriously and treating him as a joke is how he got elected in the first place. Trump is a masterful demagogue whose innovations will be studied in political science for decades to come. He is also a profoundly evil, shallow, and narcissistic man who is in no way capable or qualified of holding the level of responsibility he has attained. But he's far from the first malignant narcissist to master the arts of demagoguery.