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Well, there's people self-identifying, and there's people living the lifestyle, and the groups don't necessarily have to match up, like in the closet I guess.
by VLM 10y ago
Well, there's people self-identifying, and there's people living the lifestyle, and the groups don't necessarily have to match up, like in the closet I guess.
With respect to living the lifestyle, Time has an interesting article on the percentage of college grads living at home after graduation, aka failure to launch. We'll assume 50:50 male:female although of course not all degree fields are 50:50, and we'll assume that living in moms basement means the sex life is essentially zilch.
http://time.com/4106297/college-degrees-parents-house/ http://time.com/4106297/college-degrees-parents-house/
So half of English lit grads, 40% of CS/IT grads, 30% of engineers, more than half of history majors.
You could argue that the extrapolated trend around 30 is more relevant than just out of school and trying to find a new career, in which case its merely in the 10% to 20% range depending on major.
Far too many college grads are produced than there are jobs for them, by integer multiples too many. Its the opposite for skilled trades, you'll make a lot more money and demand is intense for electricians so I'd imagine "failure to launch" for journeyman electricians is exclusively limited to, like, in home hospice care of ill parents and similar, so figure that rounds down to about zero although I don't have figures.
Maybe unemployed college grads living at home make it work, I never had to do it, but I imagine it would be awkward having uni roommate conversations with your parents and little sister to get them out of the house when you're having someone come over, or I guess they could stay home and listen, or just ewww.
Personally I came home from the Army while going to school in the day and I couldn't take the parenting for more than a couple weeks while I was doing the school GI bill thing, of course that's all the time I needed to get an apartment and car and start school and stuff. Where are you going who you gonna hang out with how late will you be out remember tonight is a school night do I know their parents oh can I meet this girl she sounds nice, is kinda cute or tolerable around thirteen but not a 20-something adult. My score while living at home was definitely zero, although I was too busy setting up apartment, car, school, all that stuff to go out anyway.
So in summary, mid level double digit percentages. Not a rounding error.
- pavel_lishin 10y agoBut people living at home after graduation isn't the same thing as "Men Going Their Own Way". Even underemployment doesn't place people in that category. I'm kind of wondering if you replied to the correct comment...
- VLM 10y agoI'm operating under the theory that living at home with mom in the 20s is essentially being drafted into MGTOW mostly involuntarily. And when you're talking about large fraction of the college grad population living with parents, you have maybe 50:50 chance that your partner is also living at home with mom, so its not like you can have sex at her place in some other mom's basement instead of your own mom's basement.
- pavel_lishin 10y agoI don't know if that's the case or not, not being in the situation, but in high school I managed to get naked with my girlfriend despite both of us living at home, and her not having a car. I can't imagine that adults can't find a way to have sex. And I'm still not convinced that living at home post-college sends someone spiraling into MGTOW. They might be bitter about it, they might be resigned about it, but I don't believe that it necessarily leads to a rejection of the opposite sex. Big ol' [citation needed] there. Just because you're not currently in a relationship, and it's difficult to maintain one, doesn't make you a MGTOW, no more than having a lease end a few days before a new one begins makes you homeless.