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The highest-profile case that I'm personally attached to or know people involved in would be the countless allegations against Jacob Applebaum from Tor. There'

by and0 10y ago

The highest-profile case that I'm personally attached to or know people involved in would be the countless allegations against Jacob Applebaum from Tor. There's one particularly dishonest method that people who defend the status quo use (usually out of sweaty desperation for privileges handed out based on gender, race, or financial class), which is the way they frame incidents of abuse or oppression as completely isolated from society or culture. If you look at the Uber or Tor cases you have to realize that there is a culture in hacker / geek / IT that enabled it. Hell, if you post on HN must you realize there's values that the majority of us share. And those values that enabled the horrors at Tor and Uber are likely also present in other situations that are based on or include the same culture. If you think I'm implying all men in SV or on HN are misogynists then you're willfully misinterpreting me, I'm just saying these are systematic / cultural issues and should be addressed as such. Also, it'd be great if you'd step out of the way.

dijit 10y ago
Jacob Applebaum was publicly crucified and Uber also. That would not be a thing if there was an inherent sexism in tech, if that was the case people would have shrugged at it as if it was normal behaviour. They most certainly did not. I won't comment on "get out of the way".
- and0 10y ago
  No one is talking about punishments or justice after the fact. You would never say a crime that occurs systematically is a non-issue because the perpetrators are punished if/when caught. PLEASE get out of the way. Stop mucking with people's fights for equality by injecting your willful ignorance.
  - dijit 10y ago
    Sex crime in Sweden is reported at higher rates than the rest of the world. This is believed to be caused by the fact that it's easy to provide evidence that will lead to conviction and trials are dealt with swiftly. The reason I bring this up is because if Women know it's normal and accepted to point out their oppressors and that justice will be had, then they will be more likely to report them and the world becomes a better place. I fight for equality, my fight is no less valid than yours just because I have a penis, but I told you about the refugees already- I don't want women to be in tech if they're not integrated. We _all_ deserve to be integrated.
    - dang 10y ago
      Please stop.

by and0 10y ago

dijit 10y ago

Jacob Applebaum was publicly crucified and Uber also. That would not be a thing if there was an inherent sexism in tech, if that was the case people would have shrugged at it as if it was normal behaviour. They most certainly did not. I won't comment on "get out of the way".

and0 10y ago
No one is talking about punishments or justice after the fact. You would never say a crime that occurs systematically is a non-issue because the perpetrators are punished if/when caught. PLEASE get out of the way. Stop mucking with people's fights for equality by injecting your willful ignorance.
- dijit 10y ago
  Sex crime in Sweden is reported at higher rates than the rest of the world. This is believed to be caused by the fact that it's easy to provide evidence that will lead to conviction and trials are dealt with swiftly. The reason I bring this up is because if Women know it's normal and accepted to point out their oppressors and that justice will be had, then they will be more likely to report them and the world becomes a better place. I fight for equality, my fight is no less valid than yours just because I have a penis, but I told you about the refugees already- I don't want women to be in tech if they're not integrated. We _all_ deserve to be integrated.
  - dang 10y ago
    Please stop.