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"I live in Sweden, in Sweden it's believed that Women and Men are equal. That's all I have to say about feminism- if there are cases where they are not then tha

by and0 10y ago

"I live in Sweden, in Sweden it's believed that Women and Men are equal. That's all I have to say about feminism- if there are cases where they are not then that needs to be addressed." The page you're commenting on cites these cases and is trying to address them. And yet... for some reason you can't let that be. Something is making you pop up, uninvited, to make sure your thoughts on feminism and what's fair in tech are heard too. Do you really not realize you're doing this? Can you honestly not figure out why? Do you not see how a bunch of men in this thread fighting desperately for the status quo is, in fact, a sign of something systematic?

dijit 10y ago
You are also not invited, nobody is invited. It was posted for comments and I gave mine. My advice for you is to think clearly and objectively about what your thoughts are and how they are misaligned with mine. I understand what you have been claiming but you have also been decrying other people for doing the same things you are doing. I am not here for a fight. I don't want you getting swelly eyed and emotional because then all logic and reasoning will shut down. Men in this thread are mostly doing what I have done. And that's denounce the victim complex, to denounce the notion that women need to be handled with kid gloves, to denounce that anyone believes that it's fair for women to be unequal. It's not about maintaining a status quo, that will never be the case- it's about shutting down this kind of rhetoric which does nothing to help women. It just makes them feel validated if they feel like victims or, worse, makes them feel like they're going to be systematically oppressed when it may be perfectly false to assert that. I have worked for a long time, if someone told me I couldn't do something I would have that bias deeply ingrained in my head, if I were told people are likely to think less of me, I would assume them being critical of me or my ideas was them attacking me or oppressing me based on those things. Where I have worked, where my friends have worked this is patently false, but of course maybe that's because I've only worked in a few companies across Northern Europe.
- and0 10y ago
  Again, the page linked was by women for women. You chiming in to say (repeatedly at this point) that they a.) have a victim complex but also b.) need guidance to understand their own situations and beliefs very obviously proves their point. How can you dismiss these women as confused and in need of your guidance but also say they don't need to be condescended to in the same sentence and not realize something is wrong? Or that maybe these women have a point when they poke at these ideas? You're too fragile to address this or gain any sort of self-awareness, so talking to you is a waste of time. Hopefully someone else has read my comments and actually thought about the issue.
  - dijit 10y ago
    Wow, sorry, I didn't say they needed guidance. I said they didn't need to be force fed this narrative.
  - dang 10y ago
    You've repeatedly crossed into taking personal swipes here, which breaks the HN guidelines regardless of how correct one's views are. We ban accounts that do that, so please don't do it any more.

by and0 10y ago

dijit 10y ago

You are also not invited, nobody is invited. It was posted for comments and I gave mine. My advice for you is to think clearly and objectively about what your thoughts are and how they are misaligned with mine. I understand what you have been claiming but you have also been decrying other people for doing the same things you are doing. I am not here for a fight. I don't want you getting swelly eyed and emotional because then all logic and reasoning will shut down. Men in this thread are mostly doing what I have done. And that's denounce the victim complex, to denounce the notion that women need to be handled with kid gloves, to denounce that anyone believes that it's fair for women to be unequal. It's not about maintaining a status quo, that will never be the case- it's about shutting down this kind of rhetoric which does nothing to help women. It just makes them feel validated if they feel like victims or, worse, makes them feel like they're going to be systematically oppressed when it may be perfectly false to assert that. I have worked for a long time, if someone told me I couldn't do something I would have that bias deeply ingrained in my head, if I were told people are likely to think less of me, I would assume them being critical of me or my ideas was them attacking me or oppressing me based on those things. Where I have worked, where my friends have worked this is patently false, but of course maybe that's because I've only worked in a few companies across Northern Europe.

and0 10y ago
Again, the page linked was by women for women. You chiming in to say (repeatedly at this point) that they a.) have a victim complex but also b.) need guidance to understand their own situations and beliefs very obviously proves their point. How can you dismiss these women as confused and in need of your guidance but also say they don't need to be condescended to in the same sentence and not realize something is wrong? Or that maybe these women have a point when they poke at these ideas? You're too fragile to address this or gain any sort of self-awareness, so talking to you is a waste of time. Hopefully someone else has read my comments and actually thought about the issue.
- dijit 10y ago
  Wow, sorry, I didn't say they needed guidance. I said they didn't need to be force fed this narrative.
- dang 10y ago
  You've repeatedly crossed into taking personal swipes here, which breaks the HN guidelines regardless of how correct one's views are. We ban accounts that do that, so please don't do it any more.