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With AMD presenting a formidable product ARM's long-term outlook of becoming the runner-up in the server market has worsened considerably. The hype surrounding
by ju-st 10y ago
With AMD presenting a formidable product ARM's long-term outlook of becoming the runner-up in the server market has worsened considerably. The hype surrounding low power ARM-SoCs has already fizzled since several years because of their bad performance per watt. So I'd say ARM won't overtake anyone in servers or PC's in the near future.
- cobookman 10y agothe RISC vs CISC battle was won by CISC decades ago. RISC is better in low compute power. CISC is better for high compute areas.
- deepnotderp 10y agoThis is outright false. Modern CISC chips are risc architectures with a x86 conversion layer in the front. Both Intel and AMD use this approach.
- deepnotderp 10y agoAlso, the reason risc doesn't do well might just be because of more development to x86.Jim Keller estimates that due to legacy bloat of x86, a fully developed arm chip will be 15-30% more efficient than an equivalent x86 chip.
- TorKlingberg 10y agoI suspect RISC vs. CISC just doesn't matter as much as people think. Performance depends more on other design choices, and and market success on licensing model, compatibility, etc.
- brilliantcode 10y agodo you have a source on this? I'm curious to know more about the ARM processor market. Is AMD the leader over Intel? Who is the market dominator in this niche?
- vidarh 10y agoARM CPUs outsell Intel by well over an order of magnitude or more in terms of number of CPUs, but Intel absolutely crush ARM Holdings in terms of revenue. In fact, at least PPC and MIPS (at least as of a couple of years ago) are also in the running for 2nd and 3rd largest CPU architecture in termsof number of CPUs - but as with ARM they're dwarfed by Intel in terms of revenue, as all three have a licensing model and target markets with much lower price per unit than what Intel does. There are other potential architectures up there, though primarily used as microcontrollers, but getting accurate numbers is very hard.
- deepnotderp 10y agoI suspect the aggregate revenue of arm chips is greater than Intel, but it's fragmented and hard to track
- vidarh 10y agoGiven the massive volume difference it's possible you're right. Getting reliable numbers for the CPU market in general is annoyingly hard. I'd really like to see how the numbers for PPC and MIPS are developing. Also older CPUs that are now treated as microcontrollers, like Z80 and 6502 descendants. Western Design Centre has a statement about annual volume in the hundres of millions for 6502 descendants on their website [1], which if true means it's somewhere in the same region as MIPS, PPC and x86 for one of the top 4-5 spots after ARM. [1] http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/ http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/