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yeah lets remember that next time apple fanboys want to post an article saying AAPL is worht more than MS

FraaJad 16y ago
How many other startups/companies that MS has invested have given the same rates of return? MS did not lose anything by investing in Apple. Their gain was two fold 0. escape anti trust scrutiny (the main motivation for the investment) 1. very good return on investment.
- pohl 16y ago
  How do we know they got a good ROI? It's hard to pin down when they sold it, and for how much. The best information I could find is here: http://ask.metafilter.com/30833/How-much-of-Apple-Computer-does-Microsoft-own http://ask.metafilter.com/30833/How-much-of-Apple-Computer-d...
pyre 16y ago
Though you claim that saying AAPL is worth more then MSFT is a sign of fanboy-ism, it can also be used as proof that AAPL is no longer the 'under-dog' that some fanboys still like to portray them as. (i.e. AAPL is now the '800lb Gorilla') [Nit: Microsoft's NASDAQ symbol is MSFT, not MS. It looks wildly inconsistent to refer to Apple by AAPL, but then drop to MS for Microsoft. ]
- larsberg 16y ago
  Even better, the stock ticker was pronounced "misfit" internally, back in the dark ages when I worked there :-)
- eekfuh 16y ago
  "Fanboys" call them the underdog due to their 7-8% market share of the computer market compared to Windows ~90% market share. I'd still call that an underdog. Also who is the "you", that you are referring to? Also we are not claiming, we are merely using todays EOD market-cap to show they are worth more, in which case they are. Also Apple has growth in other areas, which are new areas, and MSFT is just suckling the tit of office and the PC's use of Windows software. /fanboyism
  - OrangeGuutan 16y ago
    The question is what does it mean to be an underdog? Yes, Apple is an underdog against Microsoft in terms of market share, but few would make the argument that Apple is an underdog against Microsoft in terms of creating a quality OS. Apple simply has different goals than Microsoft. Apple sells low volume and high margins, Microsoft sells high volume and low margins. All this underdog talk is bunk.
  - pyre 16y ago
    > "Fanboys" call them the underdog due to their 7-8% market > share of the computer market compared to Windows ~90% > market share. > > I'd still call that an underdog. I wouldn't. You're ignoring several factors: * Even though Microsoft may own 90% of the market, the fact that their company as a whole (which includes other markets) is worth less than Apple is telling. The investors certainly don't think that they are an underdog. * A few years ago Microsoft own 95% of the market. (i.e. The trend is towards a shrinking strangle-hold on the market) * The 'market' usually refers to the general PC market which (IIRC) includes corporate purchases. Most corporate purchases for the foreseeable future will probably remain in Microsoft's court, but that doesn't prevent Apple from taking over the personal computer market. [Yea, I know PC stands for 'Personal Computer,' but here we are referring to personal in terms of ownership, instead of personal in terms of desktops vs mainframes.] I would definitely not call Apple the underdog in terms of personal/family computers. * Apple has great mind-share right now, as well as a number of devices that tie-in well with their Macs. Those devices (iPhone,iPad) are at the top of a lot of people's minds and at the cutting edge of their respective niches. Those devices will probably do well at driving people towards Macs when they next upgrade their desktop/laptop even though that probably isn't their ultimate goal. * You're ignoring the other markets that Apple is in where they are not the underdog (mp3 players, tablet devices). > Also who is the "you", that you are referring to? To the poster of the comment I was replying to? Maybe I should have phrased it as such: Though you claim that saying, "AAPL is worth more then MSFT," is a sign of fanboy-ism, I was refuting the claim that talking about Apple's worth vs Microsoft's worth is a sign of fanboy-ism.

How many other startups/companies that MS has invested have given the same rates of return? MS did not lose anything by investing in Apple. Their gain was two fold 0. escape anti trust scrutiny (the main motivation for the investment) 1. very good return on investment.

pohl 16y ago
How do we know they got a good ROI? It's hard to pin down when they sold it, and for how much. The best information I could find is here: http://ask.metafilter.com/30833/How-much-of-Apple-Computer-does-Microsoft-own http://ask.metafilter.com/30833/How-much-of-Apple-Computer-d...

pyre 16y ago

Though you claim that saying AAPL is worth more then MSFT is a sign of fanboy-ism, it can also be used as proof that AAPL is no longer the 'under-dog' that some fanboys still like to portray them as. (i.e. AAPL is now the '800lb Gorilla') [Nit: Microsoft's NASDAQ symbol is MSFT, not MS. It looks wildly inconsistent to refer to Apple by AAPL, but then drop to MS for Microsoft. ]

larsberg 16y ago
Even better, the stock ticker was pronounced "misfit" internally, back in the dark ages when I worked there :-)
eekfuh 16y ago
"Fanboys" call them the underdog due to their 7-8% market share of the computer market compared to Windows ~90% market share. I'd still call that an underdog. Also who is the "you", that you are referring to? Also we are not claiming, we are merely using todays EOD market-cap to show they are worth more, in which case they are. Also Apple has growth in other areas, which are new areas, and MSFT is just suckling the tit of office and the PC's use of Windows software. /fanboyism
- OrangeGuutan 16y ago
  The question is what does it mean to be an underdog? Yes, Apple is an underdog against Microsoft in terms of market share, but few would make the argument that Apple is an underdog against Microsoft in terms of creating a quality OS. Apple simply has different goals than Microsoft. Apple sells low volume and high margins, Microsoft sells high volume and low margins. All this underdog talk is bunk.
- pyre 16y ago
  > "Fanboys" call them the underdog due to their 7-8% market > share of the computer market compared to Windows ~90% > market share. > > I'd still call that an underdog. I wouldn't. You're ignoring several factors: * Even though Microsoft may own 90% of the market, the fact that their company as a whole (which includes other markets) is worth less than Apple is telling. The investors certainly don't think that they are an underdog. * A few years ago Microsoft own 95% of the market. (i.e. The trend is towards a shrinking strangle-hold on the market) * The 'market' usually refers to the general PC market which (IIRC) includes corporate purchases. Most corporate purchases for the foreseeable future will probably remain in Microsoft's court, but that doesn't prevent Apple from taking over the personal computer market. [Yea, I know PC stands for 'Personal Computer,' but here we are referring to personal in terms of ownership, instead of personal in terms of desktops vs mainframes.] I would definitely not call Apple the underdog in terms of personal/family computers. * Apple has great mind-share right now, as well as a number of devices that tie-in well with their Macs. Those devices (iPhone,iPad) are at the top of a lot of people's minds and at the cutting edge of their respective niches. Those devices will probably do well at driving people towards Macs when they next upgrade their desktop/laptop even though that probably isn't their ultimate goal. * You're ignoring the other markets that Apple is in where they are not the underdog (mp3 players, tablet devices). > Also who is the "you", that you are referring to? To the poster of the comment I was replying to? Maybe I should have phrased it as such: Though you claim that saying, "AAPL is worth more then MSFT," is a sign of fanboy-ism, I was refuting the claim that talking about Apple's worth vs Microsoft's worth is a sign of fanboy-ism.