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Wikileaks could focus its hacking efforts anywhere, so the question is, why Turkey? On 24 November 2015, Turkish F-16 combat aircraft shot down a Russian Su-24

Wikileaks could focus its hacking efforts anywhere, so the question is, why Turkey? On 24 November 2015, Turkish F-16 combat aircraft shot down a Russian Su-24 during an airspace dispute close to the Turkish-Syrian border. Russian President Vladimir Putin described the incident as "a stab in the back by the accomplices of terrorists" and further stated that "today's tragic events will have significant consequences including for relations between Russia and Turkey". 7 months later, on 19 July 2016 WikiLeaks released the AKP Emails. AKP is the ruling party of Turkey and political force behind president Recep Erdoğan.

Natsu 10y ago
> Wikileaks could focus its hacking efforts anywhere, so the question is, why Turkey? Wikileaks has stated repeatedly that it is not a hacking organization, it distributes items given to them by others.
- mirimir 10y ago
  Key point here! Wikileaks can leak what people give them. I've seen no evidence that they've hacked anything.
- subroutine 10y ago
  Right, because wikileaks is a website. In case it wasnt obvious from my previous post I'm insinuating there is heavy collusion between Russia and wikileaks. DNC emails, AKP Erdogan intel, CIA vault 7. If wikileaks soon publishes a vault of Russian secrets, I will stand corrected. It's clear what is happening here. Russia is doing an excellent job of manipulating the rhetoric surrounding its ties with Trump. If the CIA is to look like a foolhardy and scary institution to the American public, Trump can say stuff like "Obama wiretapped me", and it degrades the legitimacy of all CIA input on Trump-Russia ties.
  - Natsu 10y ago
    The CIA's legitimacy was undermined decades ago. Just look at their history of overthrowing democracies, or what happened in, say, Iran. They do have a category on Russia, though: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Russia https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Russia IIRC, they don't have any staff fluent in Russian, though, and they pointed to other whistle-blowing operations as more able to operate there. Russia doesn't need to collude with them, nor does any other party. They just need to leak to them. If you read what Assange wrote about how wikileaks works to raise the cost of conspiracies, you'll see that it actually doesn't matter who is using them, only whether or not the material is true.
koltaggar 10y ago
Point this guy
- jwtadvice 10y ago
  With the gap of 7 months? Russia and Turkey at the point of the disclosures were in a rapprochement: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/turkey/2016-07-20/russia-and-turkeys-rapprochement https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/turkey/2016-07-20/ru... The result of the disclosures was a weakening of that warming relationship, with Turkey pivoting again in its foreign policy - at least for some short time. What else has Wikileaks reported on? The Italian "Hacking Team" - https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/ https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/ Saudi Arabian Embassy Cables - https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables Pirate Bay Court Documents - https://wikileaks.org/gottfrid-docs https://wikileaks.org/gottfrid-docs Cables from the Assad administration in Syria - https://search.wikileaks.org/syria-files/ https://search.wikileaks.org/syria-files/ Documents from inside Scientology - https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Scientology https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Scientology Swiss Banking Tax Offshore Scandals - https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Bank_Julius_Baer https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Bank_Julius_Baer His point isn't very compelling for the following reason: instead of taking my argument ("Wikileaks publishes on far more than the US") he took an anecdote decorating my argument ("for example Turkey") and tried to argue the anecdote (poorly). I'll give him an upvote. Not because I think his argument is really good. But because he contributes to the conversation.

Natsu 10y ago

> Wikileaks could focus its hacking efforts anywhere, so the question is, why Turkey? Wikileaks has stated repeatedly that it is not a hacking organization, it distributes items given to them by others.

mirimir 10y ago
Key point here! Wikileaks can leak what people give them. I've seen no evidence that they've hacked anything.
subroutine 10y ago
Right, because wikileaks is a website. In case it wasnt obvious from my previous post I'm insinuating there is heavy collusion between Russia and wikileaks. DNC emails, AKP Erdogan intel, CIA vault 7. If wikileaks soon publishes a vault of Russian secrets, I will stand corrected. It's clear what is happening here. Russia is doing an excellent job of manipulating the rhetoric surrounding its ties with Trump. If the CIA is to look like a foolhardy and scary institution to the American public, Trump can say stuff like "Obama wiretapped me", and it degrades the legitimacy of all CIA input on Trump-Russia ties.
- Natsu 10y ago
  The CIA's legitimacy was undermined decades ago. Just look at their history of overthrowing democracies, or what happened in, say, Iran. They do have a category on Russia, though: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Russia https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Russia IIRC, they don't have any staff fluent in Russian, though, and they pointed to other whistle-blowing operations as more able to operate there. Russia doesn't need to collude with them, nor does any other party. They just need to leak to them. If you read what Assange wrote about how wikileaks works to raise the cost of conspiracies, you'll see that it actually doesn't matter who is using them, only whether or not the material is true.

koltaggar 10y ago

Point this guy

jwtadvice 10y ago
With the gap of 7 months? Russia and Turkey at the point of the disclosures were in a rapprochement: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/turkey/2016-07-20/russia-and-turkeys-rapprochement https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/turkey/2016-07-20/ru... The result of the disclosures was a weakening of that warming relationship, with Turkey pivoting again in its foreign policy - at least for some short time. What else has Wikileaks reported on? The Italian "Hacking Team" - https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/ https://wikileaks.org/hackingteam/emails/ Saudi Arabian Embassy Cables - https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables https://wikileaks.org/saudi-cables Pirate Bay Court Documents - https://wikileaks.org/gottfrid-docs https://wikileaks.org/gottfrid-docs Cables from the Assad administration in Syria - https://search.wikileaks.org/syria-files/ https://search.wikileaks.org/syria-files/ Documents from inside Scientology - https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Scientology https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Scientology Swiss Banking Tax Offshore Scandals - https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Bank_Julius_Baer https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Bank_Julius_Baer His point isn't very compelling for the following reason: instead of taking my argument ("Wikileaks publishes on far more than the US") he took an anecdote decorating my argument ("for example Turkey") and tried to argue the anecdote (poorly). I'll give him an upvote. Not because I think his argument is really good. But because he contributes to the conversation.