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I haven't met one that wasn't an idiot. Around my location they are all claiming that vaccines cause autism or deferring to Jesus for his medical opinion like

by sqeaky 10y ago

I haven't met one that wasn't an idiot. Around my location they are all claiming that vaccines cause autism or deferring to Jesus for his medical opinion like he actually exists. EDIT - Downvote away, but I would prefer if you demonstrated I was wrong by presenting a sensible reason to allow mass anti-vaccination. I understand there legitimate reasons for an individual to avoid a vaccine, like immune deficiency or allergies, but that is not a pass for the whole population.

BeetleB 10y ago
>Downvote away, but I would prefer if you demonstrated I was wrong by presenting a sensible reason to allow mass anti-vaccination. Probably downvoted due to the swiftness by which you call someone an idiot... It's a broad term. I'm sure I can find someone who believes in the things you listed who can do several things better than you (be it mathematics, programming, etc). Who would the idiot be?
- sqeaky 10y ago
  I use vitriol to convince in casual conversation, because it works. Just as the article indicates and many smart people before me have demonstrated people like to ignore facts that don't agree with them. Put another way "You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason into", so you need to use something else. I like peer pressure, sarcasm and shame. Even just a tiny cheap laugh can dislodge all but the most strongly held beliefs if those laughs come from their close peers. "Idiot" is not particularly funny, but was the word already chosen and followed nicely with the idea that people who believe dumb things should feel shame for feeling dumb things. I have no regret caller anti-vaxxers idiots, and I hope they feel shame for their dangerous ideas not matter how good they are at math or programming.
  - BeetleB 10y ago
    >I use vitriol to convince in casual conversation, because it works. >I like peer pressure, sarcasm and shame. Interestingly, when you read influence/negotiation books, all of these are listed as tactics that create resistance, and all recommend not using these tactics. One of the golden rules is to criticize the idea, not the person. >Even just a tiny cheap laugh can dislodge all but the most strongly held beliefs if those laughs come from their close peers. Agreed. But the reason you have so many anti-vaccine folks is that their peer group thinks like them. If you say it works for you, great! Not been my observation, and definitely not the observation of folks who do this stuff for a living. >I have no regret caller anti-vaxxers idiots This comment speaks to the reason I went off in this thread. Who is asking you to feel regret?

by sqeaky 10y ago

BeetleB 10y ago

>Downvote away, but I would prefer if you demonstrated I was wrong by presenting a sensible reason to allow mass anti-vaccination. Probably downvoted due to the swiftness by which you call someone an idiot... It's a broad term. I'm sure I can find someone who believes in the things you listed who can do several things better than you (be it mathematics, programming, etc). Who would the idiot be?

sqeaky 10y ago
I use vitriol to convince in casual conversation, because it works. Just as the article indicates and many smart people before me have demonstrated people like to ignore facts that don't agree with them. Put another way "You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason into", so you need to use something else. I like peer pressure, sarcasm and shame. Even just a tiny cheap laugh can dislodge all but the most strongly held beliefs if those laughs come from their close peers. "Idiot" is not particularly funny, but was the word already chosen and followed nicely with the idea that people who believe dumb things should feel shame for feeling dumb things. I have no regret caller anti-vaxxers idiots, and I hope they feel shame for their dangerous ideas not matter how good they are at math or programming.
- BeetleB 10y ago
  >I use vitriol to convince in casual conversation, because it works. >I like peer pressure, sarcasm and shame. Interestingly, when you read influence/negotiation books, all of these are listed as tactics that create resistance, and all recommend not using these tactics. One of the golden rules is to criticize the idea, not the person. >Even just a tiny cheap laugh can dislodge all but the most strongly held beliefs if those laughs come from their close peers. Agreed. But the reason you have so many anti-vaccine folks is that their peer group thinks like them. If you say it works for you, great! Not been my observation, and definitely not the observation of folks who do this stuff for a living. >I have no regret caller anti-vaxxers idiots This comment speaks to the reason I went off in this thread. Who is asking you to feel regret?