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Wikileaks published the internal communications of the Erdogan Administration in Turkey, indicating among other things (corruption) the administrations back cha

Wikileaks published the internal communications of the Erdogan Administration in Turkey, indicating among other things (corruption) the administrations back channel to the Assad Administration in Syria (an enemy of the United States). The fallout of these disclosures potentially contributed to a building coup attempt in Turkey by forces loyal to the US (which the US tacitly supported) that burst just a week after the disclosures. Wikileaks does not only publish "against" America. When it does, it's closer to home for the Americans and we hear more news coverage about it. In any case, wouldn't it okay that there are outlets that produce true news focused on negative aspects of the United States, keeping it accountable? That seems like a positive thing to me - though I don't think Wikileaks is "it".

joshuamorton 10y ago
>The fallout of these disclosures potentially contributed to a building coup attempt in Turkey by forces loyal to the US (which the US tacitly supported) that burst just a week after the disclosures. I thought the conclusion was that that coup attempt was more or less theater by Erdogan. Organized with his approval and prior knowledge, destined to fail, and used to enact martial law.
- jwtadvice 10y ago
  The coup attempt was very, very real. Erdogan's subsequent power grab was/is also very real. (They aren't mutually exclusive.) The social media rumor that you're referring to has been widely discredited.
subroutine 10y ago
Wikileaks could focus its hacking efforts anywhere, so the question is, why Turkey? On 24 November 2015, Turkish F-16 combat aircraft shot down a Russian Su-24 during an airspace dispute close to the Turkish-Syrian border. Russian President Vladimir Putin described the incident as "a stab in the back by the accomplices of terrorists" and further stated that "today's tragic events will have significant consequences including for relations between Russia and Turkey". 7 months later, on 19 July 2016 WikiLeaks released the AKP Emails. AKP is the ruling party of Turkey and political force behind president Recep Erdoğan.
- Natsu 10y ago
  > Wikileaks could focus its hacking efforts anywhere, so the question is, why Turkey? Wikileaks has stated repeatedly that it is not a hacking organization, it distributes items given to them by others.
  - mirimir 10y ago
    Key point here! Wikileaks can leak what people give them. I've seen no evidence that they've hacked anything.
  - subroutine 10y ago
    Right, because wikileaks is a website. In case it wasnt obvious from my previous post I'm insinuating there is heavy collusion between Russia and wikileaks. DNC emails, AKP Erdogan intel, CIA vault 7. If wikileaks soon publishes a vault of Russian secrets, I will stand corrected. It's clear what is happening here. Russia is doing an excellent job of manipulating the rhetoric surrounding its ties with Trump. If the CIA is to look like a foolhardy and scary institution to the American public, Trump can say stuff like "Obama wiretapped me", and it degrades the legitimacy of all CIA input on Trump-Russia ties.
    - Natsu 10y ago
      The CIA's legitimacy was undermined decades ago. Just look at their history of overthrowing democracies, or what happened in, say, Iran. They do have a category on Russia, though: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Russia https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Russia IIRC, they don't have any staff fluent in Russian, though, and they pointed to other whistle-blowing operations as more able to operate there. Russia doesn't need to collude with them, nor does any other party. They just need to leak to them. If you read what Assange wrote about how wikileaks works to raise the cost of conspiracies, you'll see that it actually doesn't matter who is using them, only whether or not the material is true.
- koltaggar 10y ago
  Point this guy

joshuamorton 10y ago

>The fallout of these disclosures potentially contributed to a building coup attempt in Turkey by forces loyal to the US (which the US tacitly supported) that burst just a week after the disclosures. I thought the conclusion was that that coup attempt was more or less theater by Erdogan. Organized with his approval and prior knowledge, destined to fail, and used to enact martial law.

jwtadvice 10y ago
The coup attempt was very, very real. Erdogan's subsequent power grab was/is also very real. (They aren't mutually exclusive.) The social media rumor that you're referring to has been widely discredited.

subroutine 10y ago

Wikileaks could focus its hacking efforts anywhere, so the question is, why Turkey? On 24 November 2015, Turkish F-16 combat aircraft shot down a Russian Su-24 during an airspace dispute close to the Turkish-Syrian border. Russian President Vladimir Putin described the incident as "a stab in the back by the accomplices of terrorists" and further stated that "today's tragic events will have significant consequences including for relations between Russia and Turkey". 7 months later, on 19 July 2016 WikiLeaks released the AKP Emails. AKP is the ruling party of Turkey and political force behind president Recep Erdoğan.

Natsu 10y ago
> Wikileaks could focus its hacking efforts anywhere, so the question is, why Turkey? Wikileaks has stated repeatedly that it is not a hacking organization, it distributes items given to them by others.
- mirimir 10y ago
  Key point here! Wikileaks can leak what people give them. I've seen no evidence that they've hacked anything.
- subroutine 10y ago
  Right, because wikileaks is a website. In case it wasnt obvious from my previous post I'm insinuating there is heavy collusion between Russia and wikileaks. DNC emails, AKP Erdogan intel, CIA vault 7. If wikileaks soon publishes a vault of Russian secrets, I will stand corrected. It's clear what is happening here. Russia is doing an excellent job of manipulating the rhetoric surrounding its ties with Trump. If the CIA is to look like a foolhardy and scary institution to the American public, Trump can say stuff like "Obama wiretapped me", and it degrades the legitimacy of all CIA input on Trump-Russia ties.
  - Natsu 10y ago
    The CIA's legitimacy was undermined decades ago. Just look at their history of overthrowing democracies, or what happened in, say, Iran. They do have a category on Russia, though: https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Russia https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Russia IIRC, they don't have any staff fluent in Russian, though, and they pointed to other whistle-blowing operations as more able to operate there. Russia doesn't need to collude with them, nor does any other party. They just need to leak to them. If you read what Assange wrote about how wikileaks works to raise the cost of conspiracies, you'll see that it actually doesn't matter who is using them, only whether or not the material is true.
koltaggar 10y ago
Point this guy