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I'm not the original poster but I think this is dismissive of a very real problem with FireFox. As a user I've seen perceived performance regress significantly

I'm not the original poster but I think this is dismissive of a very real problem with FireFox. As a user I've seen perceived performance regress significantly over the last few years. From the outside Servo looks like a distraction - and the results tend to confirm it. It may well be that Gecko just is that terrible and the only way to fix it is with Servo. If that's the case you guys really need to hurry up because you're loosing significant mindshare. Your organization's predecessor has also made this mistake before very publicly in the past with the Netscape rewrite.

pcwalton 10y ago
> From the outside Servo looks like a distraction - and the results tend to confirm it. Then show me those specific results. I'll pose it to you, too. If it's so obvious, tell me what the problems with Gecko are, specifically, and how Servo cannot solve them. > If that's the case you guys really need to hurry up because you're loosing significant mindshare. This is the first time I've been called lazy by a random HN poster. I guess there's a first time for everything. > Your organization's predecessor has also made this mistake before very publicly in the past with the Netscape rewrite. Firefox was possible because of Gecko in the first place! Do you want to be using code descended from Netscape 4, which had no dynamic restyling at all?
- slededit 10y ago
  With respect it's not the job of the user to be an expert in the architecture of your application. The fact you won't admit there are problems identifies a real with issue with your organization. Firefox is slow, I don't know why. I was hoping the engineers working on it would know - it's scary that they do not.
  - pcwalton 10y ago
    So you don't know what the performance problems in Firefox are, but you're confident that the solution has to be a short-term fix in the existing C++ codebase. Do you realize why that does not make sense?
    - slededit 10y ago
      I suppose a better question is how did the existing code base get this bad? I work on a product 10 years older than FireFox and we've been able to make do with upgrades in place. Over time large pieces of architecture change. The difference is our customers see improvements over time not large periods of stagnation.
      - pcwalton 10y ago
        That is exactly what is happening with Firefox.
        slededit 10y ago
        From the outside it doesn't look like it. That's all I'm saying - Chrome is pulling way ahead to the point I have to use it on all but my most powerful machines.

pcwalton 10y ago

> From the outside Servo looks like a distraction - and the results tend to confirm it. Then show me those specific results. I'll pose it to you, too. If it's so obvious, tell me what the problems with Gecko are, specifically, and how Servo cannot solve them. > If that's the case you guys really need to hurry up because you're loosing significant mindshare. This is the first time I've been called lazy by a random HN poster. I guess there's a first time for everything. > Your organization's predecessor has also made this mistake before very publicly in the past with the Netscape rewrite. Firefox was possible because of Gecko in the first place! Do you want to be using code descended from Netscape 4, which had no dynamic restyling at all?

slededit 10y ago
With respect it's not the job of the user to be an expert in the architecture of your application. The fact you won't admit there are problems identifies a real with issue with your organization. Firefox is slow, I don't know why. I was hoping the engineers working on it would know - it's scary that they do not.
- pcwalton 10y ago
  So you don't know what the performance problems in Firefox are, but you're confident that the solution has to be a short-term fix in the existing C++ codebase. Do you realize why that does not make sense?
  - slededit 10y ago
    I suppose a better question is how did the existing code base get this bad? I work on a product 10 years older than FireFox and we've been able to make do with upgrades in place. Over time large pieces of architecture change. The difference is our customers see improvements over time not large periods of stagnation.
    - pcwalton 10y ago
      That is exactly what is happening with Firefox.
      - slededit 10y ago
        From the outside it doesn't look like it. That's all I'm saying - Chrome is pulling way ahead to the point I have to use it on all but my most powerful machines.