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Can't they get Viagra or Cialis in Vietnam? And that's not a joke question. And if they can get it, why isn't there a huge marketing campaign to make people awa

Can't they get Viagra or Cialis in Vietnam? And that's not a joke question. And if they can get it, why isn't there a huge marketing campaign to make people aware that Rhino horn doesn't do crap, but these drugs actually work.

Raphmedia 10y ago
It's very hard to beat the placebo effect that consuming a $60k product will generate.
castis 10y ago
The belief that they're using rhino horn as an aphrodisiac is made up by western culture. The people consuming it do not believe this. https://www.savetherhino.org/rhino_info/threats_to_rhino/poaching_for_rhino_horn https://www.savetherhino.org/rhino_info/threats_to_rhino/poa...
- sand500 10y ago
  Then why are they consuming rhino horns? Actually curious.
  - castis 10y ago
    This link explains it far better than I could: https://www.savetherhino.org/rhino_info/threats_to_rhino/poaching_for_rhino_horn https://www.savetherhino.org/rhino_info/threats_to_rhino/poa...
  - captn3m0 10y ago
    Excerpt from abstract of the paper[0] linked elsewhere in this thread: >A media content analysis of Chinese (n = 332) and western newspapers (n = 166) from 2000 to 2014 revealed significant differences between perceptions of rhino horn consumption. In Chinese media, rhino horn product acquisition was most frequently reported for investment and collectible value (75%), artistic value (40%), and medical value (29%). In contrast, western media alleged consumption of rhino horn in China was mostly for their medical value (84%) [0]: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006320716303044 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006320716...
    - anigbrowl 10y ago
      This is an inaccurate understanding. The main difference between western and Asian societies is the belief in medical value - about 0% in the west vs 29% as documented here. It's not that the western media believes most Asian consumers are desperate for medical ingredients, but that it is focused on this point of difference. That ivory has an aesthetic value is not in dispute; it has an aesthetic value here int eh west too. People are fine with paying extra for antiques made with the product of endangered species, and I'm to sure there's anything you can do about that unless you try banning or heavily regulating the trad in antiques, so that people aren't allowed to buy items made out of mahogany or ivory because allowing such items to be the subject of commerce would drive demand for those commodities now, as we are seeing. We don't talk about this because we don't want to ban antiques and we don't have a good idea about how to deal with the fact that their ongoing commercial existence creates demand for rare goods. Likewise critiquing investment and collectibility seems almost superfluous to western media because such speculation is a basic mode of capitalism; it is so natural to observe that the existence of human desire will lead to the establishment of a market for the satisfaction of that desire that we take it for granted, even when the market's demand for something with high profit potential significantly outweighs consumers' demand for a particular good. As with drugs and other contraband, you can have many intermediaries trading in and pushing up the price proportionate to the distance consumers wish to put between themselves and the suppliers (both to lessen criminal responsibility and as a sort of Veblen good whose primary purpose is social signaling about the owner's economic ability to waste money on it).
  - gpvos 10y ago
    I found this one: https://wildlifejustice.org/cn/overlooked-rhino-horn-demand-decorative-purposes-china/ https://wildlifejustice.org/cn/overlooked-rhino-horn-demand-...
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Raphmedia 10y ago

It's very hard to beat the placebo effect that consuming a $60k product will generate.

castis 10y ago

The belief that they're using rhino horn as an aphrodisiac is made up by western culture. The people consuming it do not believe this. https://www.savetherhino.org/rhino_info/threats_to_rhino/poaching_for_rhino_horn https://www.savetherhino.org/rhino_info/threats_to_rhino/poa...

sand500 10y ago
Then why are they consuming rhino horns? Actually curious.
- castis 10y ago
  This link explains it far better than I could: https://www.savetherhino.org/rhino_info/threats_to_rhino/poaching_for_rhino_horn https://www.savetherhino.org/rhino_info/threats_to_rhino/poa...
- captn3m0 10y ago
  Excerpt from abstract of the paper[0] linked elsewhere in this thread: >A media content analysis of Chinese (n = 332) and western newspapers (n = 166) from 2000 to 2014 revealed significant differences between perceptions of rhino horn consumption. In Chinese media, rhino horn product acquisition was most frequently reported for investment and collectible value (75%), artistic value (40%), and medical value (29%). In contrast, western media alleged consumption of rhino horn in China was mostly for their medical value (84%) [0]: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006320716303044 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006320716...
  - anigbrowl 10y ago
    This is an inaccurate understanding. The main difference between western and Asian societies is the belief in medical value - about 0% in the west vs 29% as documented here. It's not that the western media believes most Asian consumers are desperate for medical ingredients, but that it is focused on this point of difference. That ivory has an aesthetic value is not in dispute; it has an aesthetic value here int eh west too. People are fine with paying extra for antiques made with the product of endangered species, and I'm to sure there's anything you can do about that unless you try banning or heavily regulating the trad in antiques, so that people aren't allowed to buy items made out of mahogany or ivory because allowing such items to be the subject of commerce would drive demand for those commodities now, as we are seeing. We don't talk about this because we don't want to ban antiques and we don't have a good idea about how to deal with the fact that their ongoing commercial existence creates demand for rare goods. Likewise critiquing investment and collectibility seems almost superfluous to western media because such speculation is a basic mode of capitalism; it is so natural to observe that the existence of human desire will lead to the establishment of a market for the satisfaction of that desire that we take it for granted, even when the market's demand for something with high profit potential significantly outweighs consumers' demand for a particular good. As with drugs and other contraband, you can have many intermediaries trading in and pushing up the price proportionate to the distance consumers wish to put between themselves and the suppliers (both to lessen criminal responsibility and as a sort of Veblen good whose primary purpose is social signaling about the owner's economic ability to waste money on it).
- gpvos 10y ago
  I found this one: https://wildlifejustice.org/cn/overlooked-rhino-horn-demand-decorative-purposes-china/ https://wildlifejustice.org/cn/overlooked-rhino-horn-demand-...
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