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I didn't flag it, but I'd imagine a lot of people don't trust the source (any more). Edit: Why the downvotes? I didn't indicate my position, I pointed out that

by phpnode 10y ago

I didn't flag it, but I'd imagine a lot of people don't trust the source (any more). Edit: Why the downvotes? I didn't indicate my position, I pointed out that some people don't trust WikiLeaks any more, which is obvious - go and look at the responses they get on twitter.

jMyles 10y ago
Did I miss a memo? Wikileaks has done tireless work in this field and has largely been correct about its claims and the authenticity of its documents. If not Wikileaks, whom do we trust for this sort of info?
- idlewords 10y ago
  You missed a pretty big memo.
- thraway2016 10y ago
  The infosec community has this insane conspiracy theory that Assange is owned by Putin.
  - empath75 10y ago
    I guess the Russians have no FSB hacking programs that Wikileaks could publish.
  - zdkl 10y ago
    Alright, I'll bite. Regardless of the who owns what, I'd be a hell of a lot more confident if some of the old regular PGP sigs started showing up again
- _jal 10y ago
  > Wikileaks has done tireless work in this field and has largely been correct about its claims and the authenticity of its documents I believe what people don't trust is their motivation. I've seen people argue that motivation doesn't matter; facts are facts. That's incorrect, as anyone who has listened to a skilled dissembler state facts leading to a conclusion at odds with reality knows. There are other problems, including suspicion that it may be true that WL may be leaking exactly what they're given (modulo redaction and strategic withholding), what they're given may be tailored to the goals of those leaking. Assange's statements don't help dissipate that suspicion. So in looking at their releases, you have to fact in not only their (Assange's) motivation, but that of the unknown people leaking documents. Ain't intelligence analysis grand?
- pvg 10y ago
  Wikileaks' 'analysis', which is what this link is about, has always been fanciful and shoddy. I don't trust them to be doing any kind of 'analysis'.
- dghughes 10y ago
  Why trust any one source? Multiple sources is the way to go. And yes I am aware of what Wikileaks is and it's hard to find an alternative if there even is any. But my point is some day you'll be burned by relying only on a single source.
- soundwave106 10y ago
  At best, Wikileaks has a strong political leaning that clouds their whistle-blowing mission and leads some to question their motivation (even several years ago, some commentators saw Wikileaks as less whistle-blower and more anti-United States -- http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/08/16/how-wikileaks-blew-it/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/08/16/how-wikileaks-blew-it/). At worst, some charge that Wikileaks is essentially working for Russia at this point. (http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/312964-us-finds-link-between-russia-wikileaks-report http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/312964-us-finds-link...) I've personally become convinced that the best way to release "leaks" of this nature is via the Panama Papers approach -- anonymously.
- croon 10y ago
  Getting dumps and sitting on them/grooming/timing releases during the election, their twitter jumping on the Sweden bashing bandwagon [1-3] (because Assange was accused of rape there?), linking back to old Prism dumps after Trump tweets about wiretapping after reading an Infowars "article" [4] and speculating about it [5], etc etc. I'm not sure if he's buttering up the administration to get out of Ecuador, but regardless, I trusted Wikileaks when they were [input] -> check for mostly pertinent info/responsible leaking -> [output]. The concept of wikileaks is crucial to a democracy, I'm just not sure that Assange's current Wikileaks is that thing anymore. [1] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/838287615929499648 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/838287615929499648 [2] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/837686443329859585 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/837686443329859585 [3] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/837269295797309441 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/837269295797309441 [4] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/838298128419852288 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/838298128419852288 [5] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/838648893436903424 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/838648893436903424
- anigbrowl 10y ago
  You're missing a strategic consideration. If Wikileaks operates with ulterior motives, it could have an interest in dropping obsolete or even valid information for a variety of other reasons besides wanting people to be informed; to destabilize or distract, for example. Likewise, other parties could exploit Wikileaks to those ends, feeding low-level intelligence to Wikileaks for second-order purposes. If not Wikileaks, whom do we trust for this sort of info? Nobody. Open-source espionage means institutional reliability is a chimera. The more credibility you invest something with, the better of an attack vector it becomes.

by phpnode 10y ago

jMyles 10y ago

Did I miss a memo? Wikileaks has done tireless work in this field and has largely been correct about its claims and the authenticity of its documents. If not Wikileaks, whom do we trust for this sort of info?

idlewords 10y ago
You missed a pretty big memo.
thraway2016 10y ago
The infosec community has this insane conspiracy theory that Assange is owned by Putin.
- empath75 10y ago
  I guess the Russians have no FSB hacking programs that Wikileaks could publish.
- zdkl 10y ago
  Alright, I'll bite. Regardless of the who owns what, I'd be a hell of a lot more confident if some of the old regular PGP sigs started showing up again
_jal 10y ago
> Wikileaks has done tireless work in this field and has largely been correct about its claims and the authenticity of its documents I believe what people don't trust is their motivation. I've seen people argue that motivation doesn't matter; facts are facts. That's incorrect, as anyone who has listened to a skilled dissembler state facts leading to a conclusion at odds with reality knows. There are other problems, including suspicion that it may be true that WL may be leaking exactly what they're given (modulo redaction and strategic withholding), what they're given may be tailored to the goals of those leaking. Assange's statements don't help dissipate that suspicion. So in looking at their releases, you have to fact in not only their (Assange's) motivation, but that of the unknown people leaking documents. Ain't intelligence analysis grand?
pvg 10y ago
Wikileaks' 'analysis', which is what this link is about, has always been fanciful and shoddy. I don't trust them to be doing any kind of 'analysis'.
dghughes 10y ago
Why trust any one source? Multiple sources is the way to go. And yes I am aware of what Wikileaks is and it's hard to find an alternative if there even is any. But my point is some day you'll be burned by relying only on a single source.
soundwave106 10y ago
At best, Wikileaks has a strong political leaning that clouds their whistle-blowing mission and leads some to question their motivation (even several years ago, some commentators saw Wikileaks as less whistle-blower and more anti-United States -- http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/08/16/how-wikileaks-blew-it/ http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/08/16/how-wikileaks-blew-it/). At worst, some charge that Wikileaks is essentially working for Russia at this point. (http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/312964-us-finds-link-between-russia-wikileaks-report http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/312964-us-finds-link...) I've personally become convinced that the best way to release "leaks" of this nature is via the Panama Papers approach -- anonymously.
croon 10y ago
Getting dumps and sitting on them/grooming/timing releases during the election, their twitter jumping on the Sweden bashing bandwagon [1-3] (because Assange was accused of rape there?), linking back to old Prism dumps after Trump tweets about wiretapping after reading an Infowars "article" [4] and speculating about it [5], etc etc. I'm not sure if he's buttering up the administration to get out of Ecuador, but regardless, I trusted Wikileaks when they were [input] -> check for mostly pertinent info/responsible leaking -> [output]. The concept of wikileaks is crucial to a democracy, I'm just not sure that Assange's current Wikileaks is that thing anymore. [1] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/838287615929499648 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/838287615929499648 [2] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/837686443329859585 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/837686443329859585 [3] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/837269295797309441 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/837269295797309441 [4] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/838298128419852288 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/838298128419852288 [5] https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/838648893436903424 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/838648893436903424
anigbrowl 10y ago
You're missing a strategic consideration. If Wikileaks operates with ulterior motives, it could have an interest in dropping obsolete or even valid information for a variety of other reasons besides wanting people to be informed; to destabilize or distract, for example. Likewise, other parties could exploit Wikileaks to those ends, feeding low-level intelligence to Wikileaks for second-order purposes. If not Wikileaks, whom do we trust for this sort of info? Nobody. Open-source espionage means institutional reliability is a chimera. The more credibility you invest something with, the better of an attack vector it becomes.