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Mozilla Statement on Immigration Executive Order

19 points by happy-go-lucky 10y ago

prepend 10y ago
I know this is an old refrain, but do I need to know Mozilla's position on executive orders? I feel uncomfortable saying they should shut up, but there needs to be an easy way to filter out non-relevant statements from companies I follow until I have a few minutes and go looking for them. I'd like to have a clearer way to follow only technical posts from Mozilla and others.
- geodel 10y ago
  You are right, but opinion of Mozilla and opinion about Uber is always a favorite topic for discussion.
- k-mcgrady 10y ago
  Read the headline and then decide 'I don't want to know' and move on. If you're issue is knowing that they've even got a public position on an issue that's different but if the issue is just that you don't want to know their position, don't read it.
yosefk 10y ago
Perhaps Mozilla could take a cue from OK Cupid, which blocked Firefox to protest Eich's nomination as Mozilla's CEO, and stop rendering US government websites or perhaps a random list of websites related to Trump or his supporters. Then a Trump-supporting CEO of some ISP can throttle HTTP traffic issued by Mozilla. Then a Trump-opposing CPU manufacturer can build into their hardware some logic detecting the word "Trump" preceded by a positive adjective from a list and hard-reset the CPU. Then a Trump-supporting DRAM controller vendor can drop writes to DRAM if the burst contains the word "Clinton." And then perhaps users, consumers and other innocent bystanders will finally rise as one and stake all these people. And we shall have peace.
- toxican 10y ago
  Yes, they should forsake THE ENTIRE FREAKING BASIS OF THE FOUNDATION by playing gatekeeper for the internet.
- mcherm 10y ago
  > Perhaps Mozilla could [...] stop rendering US government websites or perhaps a random list of websites related to Trump or his supporters. The STRONG commitment on the part of Mozilla to NEVER engage in such tactics is one of the reasons I make it my preferred browser. I have no objection to their expressing their political beliefs through press releases, even if I am not sure it rises to the level of "newsworthiness" to be upvoted on Hacker News.
orloffm 10y ago
As an Eastern European O&O developer, I can only hope that they will support the H1B visa reform with the same wording and the same dedication. It's impossible for talent to get into US. Amazon recruiters directly say that they'd rather hire you to Vancouver and transfer you later than even attempt to play the 30% chance lottery. Why does this anti-Trump hysteria take over logic in the US is beyond my understanding. Only if Mozilla is interested in Indian slaves and uses all the buzzwords as keywords for hiring them.
- k-mcgrady 10y ago
  If your goal is working for Amazon why not go and do it in Vancouver? Or somewhere in Europe?
- mehta 10y ago
  A few points to point out: from your post, it sounds like Amazon never applies for h1b which is not true. They just don't prefer to use it for a person who is not already in USA. They do apply for the visa where it makes sense. If they chose to go h1b route, they will have to apply for a visa and then wait for 6 months before the person can actually work(and the developer could still choose to not join thereby making the visa application useless). Clearly, going through Canada is a better option for them.
ams6110 10y ago
> we believe ideas and innovations must flow freely across borders Those things don't strictly require people to flow freely across borders, less so today then ever.
a_imho 10y ago
And then their next article reads like this: These are significant issues. Mozilla and the National Science Foundation are committed to finding solutions by supporting bright people and big ideas across the U.S. Today, Mozilla is announcing the National Science Foundation-sponsored Wireless Innovation for a Networked Society (WINS) Challenges: two U.S.-based competitions with $1 million in prize money each.

I know this is an old refrain, but do I need to know Mozilla's position on executive orders? I feel uncomfortable saying they should shut up, but there needs to be an easy way to filter out non-relevant statements from companies I follow until I have a few minutes and go looking for them. I'd like to have a clearer way to follow only technical posts from Mozilla and others.

geodel 10y ago
You are right, but opinion of Mozilla and opinion about Uber is always a favorite topic for discussion.
k-mcgrady 10y ago
Read the headline and then decide 'I don't want to know' and move on. If you're issue is knowing that they've even got a public position on an issue that's different but if the issue is just that you don't want to know their position, don't read it.

yosefk 10y ago

Perhaps Mozilla could take a cue from OK Cupid, which blocked Firefox to protest Eich's nomination as Mozilla's CEO, and stop rendering US government websites or perhaps a random list of websites related to Trump or his supporters. Then a Trump-supporting CEO of some ISP can throttle HTTP traffic issued by Mozilla. Then a Trump-opposing CPU manufacturer can build into their hardware some logic detecting the word "Trump" preceded by a positive adjective from a list and hard-reset the CPU. Then a Trump-supporting DRAM controller vendor can drop writes to DRAM if the burst contains the word "Clinton." And then perhaps users, consumers and other innocent bystanders will finally rise as one and stake all these people. And we shall have peace.

toxican 10y ago
Yes, they should forsake THE ENTIRE FREAKING BASIS OF THE FOUNDATION by playing gatekeeper for the internet.
mcherm 10y ago
> Perhaps Mozilla could [...] stop rendering US government websites or perhaps a random list of websites related to Trump or his supporters. The STRONG commitment on the part of Mozilla to NEVER engage in such tactics is one of the reasons I make it my preferred browser. I have no objection to their expressing their political beliefs through press releases, even if I am not sure it rises to the level of "newsworthiness" to be upvoted on Hacker News.

orloffm 10y ago

As an Eastern European O&O developer, I can only hope that they will support the H1B visa reform with the same wording and the same dedication. It's impossible for talent to get into US. Amazon recruiters directly say that they'd rather hire you to Vancouver and transfer you later than even attempt to play the 30% chance lottery. Why does this anti-Trump hysteria take over logic in the US is beyond my understanding. Only if Mozilla is interested in Indian slaves and uses all the buzzwords as keywords for hiring them.

k-mcgrady 10y ago
If your goal is working for Amazon why not go and do it in Vancouver? Or somewhere in Europe?
mehta 10y ago
A few points to point out: from your post, it sounds like Amazon never applies for h1b which is not true. They just don't prefer to use it for a person who is not already in USA. They do apply for the visa where it makes sense. If they chose to go h1b route, they will have to apply for a visa and then wait for 6 months before the person can actually work(and the developer could still choose to not join thereby making the visa application useless). Clearly, going through Canada is a better option for them.

ams6110 10y ago

> we believe ideas and innovations must flow freely across borders Those things don't strictly require people to flow freely across borders, less so today then ever.

a_imho 10y ago

And then their next article reads like this: These are significant issues. Mozilla and the National Science Foundation are committed to finding solutions by supporting bright people and big ideas across the U.S. Today, Mozilla is announcing the National Science Foundation-sponsored Wireless Innovation for a Networked Society (WINS) Challenges: two U.S.-based competitions with $1 million in prize money each.