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Thanks for the links but your claim against the article is a bit heavy handed The article is much larger than CPU level access and control..It discusses high l

Thanks for the links but your claim against the article is a bit heavy handed The article is much larger than CPU level access and control..It discusses high level issues worth thinking about such as communications and social elements The article lacks any real actionable advice to date it too much.. when will it be out of vogue to suggest reading 1984 to aide in 'anticipation'? But the value of the article aside.. your language: dated; made me interested in finding out when ME was first introduced and I was having trouble finding any concrete dates of introduction A lot of your links and their references date around 2015+, yet the authors of your linked book worked at Intel around 2007 and failed to discuss introduction dates Then I found this at the libreboot FAQ that states ME was introduced into all Intel chips 2006+(o) with the real issues after implementations dating after ~2009+ Also in my search I found some promising leads on overcoming the ME issue: http://hackaday.com/2016/11/28/neutralizing-intels-management-engine/ http://hackaday.com/2016/11/28/neutralizing-intels-managemen... https://libreboot.org/faq/#thinkpads https://libreboot.org/faq/#thinkpads What an unfortunate and reason defying battleground (o) https://libreboot.org/faq/#intelme https://libreboot.org/faq/#intelme

moppl 10y ago
Well, you are right that it is slightly heavy handed. I also thought that a lot of the higher level stuff in it might still be valid. But at the fundamental level the battle is lost, you will never own your (x86 based) PC as long as there is an IME/PSP in it. Concerning the introduction of the IME/PSP, it says already in the first link that I provided: "All post-2013 (AMD) and virtually all post-2009 (Intel) systems". I think we are very far from neutralizing the IME. Earlier implementations can be manipulated to some degree (not "neutralized" though), but recent versions are rather fool proof. The book is written by one of the engineers of the IME. While it might not discuss introduction dates it discusses pretty much everything else and is THE reference when studying the IME :)
- Arizhel 10y ago
  Shouldn't it be possible to effectively neutralize the IME/PSP by controlling the data that enters or exits it, so that it can't be activated remotely, or communicate with the "mother ship"?

moppl 10y ago

Well, you are right that it is slightly heavy handed. I also thought that a lot of the higher level stuff in it might still be valid. But at the fundamental level the battle is lost, you will never own your (x86 based) PC as long as there is an IME/PSP in it. Concerning the introduction of the IME/PSP, it says already in the first link that I provided: "All post-2013 (AMD) and virtually all post-2009 (Intel) systems". I think we are very far from neutralizing the IME. Earlier implementations can be manipulated to some degree (not "neutralized" though), but recent versions are rather fool proof. The book is written by one of the engineers of the IME. While it might not discuss introduction dates it discusses pretty much everything else and is THE reference when studying the IME :)

Arizhel 10y ago
Shouldn't it be possible to effectively neutralize the IME/PSP by controlling the data that enters or exits it, so that it can't be activated remotely, or communicate with the "mother ship"?