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By coincidence, I was viewing this today: http://bestfunny-videos.com/video.php?vid=ObZDipKRH0c&13-55859-Paul-Hansmeier,-Esq.-v.-John-Doe http://bestfunny-vide

By coincidence, I was viewing this today: http://bestfunny-videos.com/video.php?vid=ObZDipKRH0c&13-55859-Paul-Hansmeier,-Esq.-v.-John-Doe http://bestfunny-videos.com/video.php?vid=ObZDipKRH0c&13-558... My understanding of court procedure is limited, but it is pretty clear that the appellants are making some pretty incredible decisions that surprise the judges, including insisting that the proceedings are a criminal case with the possible outcome that the appellants would face life imprisonment for criminal contempt (17:11 - 17:45). I gather this is high comedy for lawyers.

MindTwister 10y ago
For those not wanting to click through that site, here is the youtube video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObZDipKRH0c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObZDipKRH0c
nikcub 10y ago
That's a great clip Fun fact: Tallman, the judge in the middle with the great stories - is one of three judges who sit on the FISA court
- pktgen 10y ago
  The judge in the middle is Judge Pregerson.
  - throwanem 10y ago
    So is he the one on the FISA court, or is Tallman? I mean I'm impressed with the whole panel and it's a hilarious proceeding, but I'd be interested to see this point cleared up, and Wikipedia's list [0] doesn't mention either. (I don't really know where else to look.) [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intell...
    - pktgen 10y ago
      Tallman is on the appellate level of the FISA court [1], which is why his name doesn't appear on that Wikipedia page. Pregerson isn't on the FISA court at any level. [1] http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/fiscr_membership http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/fiscr_membership
- hughdbrown 10y ago
  They are listed from left to right on the video as Pregerson, Tallman, and Nguyen, IIRC, but at one point the judge on the left speaks of the middle judge as Pregerson. I think Tallman is the one on the left.
mbrookes 10y ago
Also available as audio: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media/view.php?pk_id=0000014299 http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media/view.php?pk_id=0000014299 Judge Pregerson to the appellate lawyer, Daniel J. Voelker made me laugh (30:25): "They abused our court system for illegal purposes, to extort money. [...] This has got to be written about for years and years - you're probably going to be part of the story." Compared to Voelker, Morgan E. Pietz (beginning 35:30) for the appellee does a superb job of keeping discussions on point when faced with similar anecdotes and trivia questions. Having (unintentionally) watched the whole video I was curious what the decision was, whether Prenda had their day in (criminal contempt) court, but as it transpires the appeal was dismissed: http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/13-55859/13-55859-2016-06-10.html http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/13-... Curiously, as good a job as Pietz may have done making his case, it doesn't appear that when reaching their conclusion, the panel depended on much (if any) of the case law he cited.

MindTwister 10y ago

For those not wanting to click through that site, here is the youtube video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObZDipKRH0c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObZDipKRH0c

nikcub 10y ago

That's a great clip Fun fact: Tallman, the judge in the middle with the great stories - is one of three judges who sit on the FISA court

pktgen 10y ago
The judge in the middle is Judge Pregerson.
- throwanem 10y ago
  So is he the one on the FISA court, or is Tallman? I mean I'm impressed with the whole panel and it's a hilarious proceeding, but I'd be interested to see this point cleared up, and Wikipedia's list [0] doesn't mention either. (I don't really know where else to look.) [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intell...
  - pktgen 10y ago
    Tallman is on the appellate level of the FISA court [1], which is why his name doesn't appear on that Wikipedia page. Pregerson isn't on the FISA court at any level. [1] http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/fiscr_membership http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/fiscr_membership
hughdbrown 10y ago
They are listed from left to right on the video as Pregerson, Tallman, and Nguyen, IIRC, but at one point the judge on the left speaks of the middle judge as Pregerson. I think Tallman is the one on the left.

mbrookes 10y ago

Also available as audio: http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media/view.php?pk_id=0000014299 http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media/view.php?pk_id=0000014299 Judge Pregerson to the appellate lawyer, Daniel J. Voelker made me laugh (30:25): "They abused our court system for illegal purposes, to extort money. [...] This has got to be written about for years and years - you're probably going to be part of the story." Compared to Voelker, Morgan E. Pietz (beginning 35:30) for the appellee does a superb job of keeping discussions on point when faced with similar anecdotes and trivia questions. Having (unintentionally) watched the whole video I was curious what the decision was, whether Prenda had their day in (criminal contempt) court, but as it transpires the appeal was dismissed: http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/13-55859/13-55859-2016-06-10.html http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/13-... Curiously, as good a job as Pietz may have done making his case, it doesn't appear that when reaching their conclusion, the panel depended on much (if any) of the case law he cited.