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So, progressives in SV have moved from trying to get you fired if you say something they don't like on twitter, to pressuring you to quit your job if an accusat

So, progressives in SV have moved from trying to get you fired if you say something they don't like on twitter, to pressuring you to quit your job if an accusation is made against somebody at your company. Great. This couldn't possibly end poorly.

cjensen 10y ago
This isn't about saying something someone doesn't like. This is about unlawful behavior which, from the outside, appears to pervade the entirety of Uber.
- synicalx 10y ago
  If they've been behaving unlawfully then let the people who enforce the law deal with them. Suspicion of unlawful behaviour absolutely does not give people the right to demand that people quit their job.
  - cjensen 10y ago
    > does not give people the right to demand... People always have the right to demand things. That's literally what Free Speech is.
    - synicalx 10y ago
      I mean 'right' in a social sense, you can demand whatever the hell you want but it doesn't mean it's socially acceptable to do so. Also not everyone lives in America, and many countries don't have any constitutional protection for Freedom of Speech - my country Australia being a good example of this.
      - cjensen 10y ago
        Yes it is socially acceptable to call on people with moral failings to work on fixing them. Also, Free Speech is a human right acknowledged in sensible parts of the global like Australia. It's not just a law in a particular fiefdom.
        synicalx 10y ago
        Yes it is acceptable to call people on their moral failings, but their working at Uber isn't a moral failing - it's a job. When BP spewed oil all over the ocean, did you track down their employees and point out what horrible people they were? Or how about Yahoo, when they acknowledged their breach and admitted doing nothing about it for years, did you demand that everyone at Yahoo jump ship?
        bendoernberg 10y ago
        People who help BP drill for oil when they could be making a perfectly fine living doing something else are contributing to, potentially, the end of human life on this planet. If that is not an immoral act, what is?
        malandrew 10y ago
        Have you ever considered the importance of energy? It's literally the primary bounding function restricting human activity. Everything requires energy. It heats our home. It moves our goods. It moves us. It drives our machinery. Every human activity requires energy. A higher cost of energy disproportionally hurts the poor. Rising energy prices plunges millions into poverty. That said, it sucks that we're currently heavily dependent on oil for energy, and we should move away from oil for many of our energy needs. Drilling for oil isn't the problem. Not having an economically competitive alternative is the problem. The only real solution for moving away from oil is helping make alternative energy solutions economically competitive with oil. If you're anti-oil before we have economically competitive solutions, you're contributing to poverty and suffering for millions upon millions of people all over the planet. If that is not an immoral act, what is?
- jimmywanger 10y ago
  > This is about unlawful behavior You're assuming unlawful behavior already. Nice frame. It's allegations of unlawful behavior, unsubstantiated by evidence and untried by court. You're ready to tar and feather an entire group of people based on no hard evidence? Quick look over there! There's somebody who read Das Kapital, him and all his friends must be communists. This sort of virtue signaling has gone on for too long. You're competing with each other for who can ostracize people the most based on unsubstantiated claims.

cjensen 10y ago

This isn't about saying something someone doesn't like. This is about unlawful behavior which, from the outside, appears to pervade the entirety of Uber.

synicalx 10y ago
If they've been behaving unlawfully then let the people who enforce the law deal with them. Suspicion of unlawful behaviour absolutely does not give people the right to demand that people quit their job.
- cjensen 10y ago
  > does not give people the right to demand... People always have the right to demand things. That's literally what Free Speech is.
  - synicalx 10y ago
    I mean 'right' in a social sense, you can demand whatever the hell you want but it doesn't mean it's socially acceptable to do so. Also not everyone lives in America, and many countries don't have any constitutional protection for Freedom of Speech - my country Australia being a good example of this.
    - cjensen 10y ago
      Yes it is socially acceptable to call on people with moral failings to work on fixing them. Also, Free Speech is a human right acknowledged in sensible parts of the global like Australia. It's not just a law in a particular fiefdom.
      - synicalx 10y ago
        Yes it is acceptable to call people on their moral failings, but their working at Uber isn't a moral failing - it's a job. When BP spewed oil all over the ocean, did you track down their employees and point out what horrible people they were? Or how about Yahoo, when they acknowledged their breach and admitted doing nothing about it for years, did you demand that everyone at Yahoo jump ship?
        bendoernberg 10y ago
        People who help BP drill for oil when they could be making a perfectly fine living doing something else are contributing to, potentially, the end of human life on this planet. If that is not an immoral act, what is?
        malandrew 10y ago
        Have you ever considered the importance of energy? It's literally the primary bounding function restricting human activity. Everything requires energy. It heats our home. It moves our goods. It moves us. It drives our machinery. Every human activity requires energy. A higher cost of energy disproportionally hurts the poor. Rising energy prices plunges millions into poverty. That said, it sucks that we're currently heavily dependent on oil for energy, and we should move away from oil for many of our energy needs. Drilling for oil isn't the problem. Not having an economically competitive alternative is the problem. The only real solution for moving away from oil is helping make alternative energy solutions economically competitive with oil. If you're anti-oil before we have economically competitive solutions, you're contributing to poverty and suffering for millions upon millions of people all over the planet. If that is not an immoral act, what is?
jimmywanger 10y ago
> This is about unlawful behavior You're assuming unlawful behavior already. Nice frame. It's allegations of unlawful behavior, unsubstantiated by evidence and untried by court. You're ready to tar and feather an entire group of people based on no hard evidence? Quick look over there! There's somebody who read Das Kapital, him and all his friends must be communists. This sort of virtue signaling has gone on for too long. You're competing with each other for who can ostracize people the most based on unsubstantiated claims.