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We need to stop doing this in every thread. These women are taking huge risks by speaking publicly and asking for proof is insulting to say the least.

redthrowaway 10y ago
This is an insane reaction. There is literally no other charge for which "I would like to see supporting evidence of this claim" is somehow problematic.
- goseeastarwar 10y ago
  It's really not when you realize these aren't extraordinary claims. Those that wish to distract from the industry's systemic issues insist on evidence.
  - redthrowaway 10y ago
    >Those that wish to distract from the industry's systemic issues insist on evidence. Insisting on evidence is verboten. On HN. I'm quickly growing tired of this place.
    - goseeastarwar 10y ago
      Much of this thread is people arguing this is embellished, untrue, the cost of doing business, or a conspiracy. Not to fear, I think your side of nonsense is safely represented. * the evidence pedant corrected my spelling
      - jimmywanger 10y ago
        > imbellished *embellished. > untrue We don't know whether the claims are true one way or another. What we do know for certain is that the claim has affected many people's careers and the financial success of a large company. If these claims are proven true, punish those responsible. If they're not true, punish those who harmed the lives and reputation of others.
  - flukus 10y ago
    > Those that wish to distract from the industry's systemic issues insist on evidence Yes, because it would be nice to know if it really was a systemic issue before wasting time and energy fixing it. "It's totally an issue, trust me" isn't worth acting on.
    - goseeastarwar 10y ago
      How many accounts of harassment do you need to believe there's a problem, out of curiosity? Nearly every woman in the industry has a story to tell, most say nothing. You'd know that if you'd bother to speak to any.
      - flukus 10y ago
        > How many accounts of harassment do you need to believe there's a problem, out of curiosity? Zero, I'm not taking anecdotal evidence.
      - jimmywanger 10y ago
        > How many accounts of harassment do you need to believe there's a problem, out of curiosity? How many accounts of the effectiveness of homeopathy do you need to believe that it works, out of curiosity?
synicalx 10y ago
Really? How is it insulting? So if I was a woman, you'd be ok with me going to the police and saying that you stole my wallet - even though I had zero proof of that ever happening?
- goseeastarwar 10y ago
  A stolen wallet is just like someone putting their career on the line because of a feckless HR department. Wait, no it isn't.
  - synicalx 10y ago
    Not even what I was talking about, but sure go right ahead and keep typing whatever you want. If you get around to it, feel free to answer my actual question at any time you like.
    - goseeastarwar 10y ago
      It's very simple when you realize they have everything to lose and little to gain by speaking up. I don't know how this isn't abundantly clear to anyone littering this thread with nonsense about evidence.
flukus 10y ago
How is it a huge risk? No one will remember any of their names in a week and if their allies in this thread are too be believed they can walk into a job elsewhere.
4WIW 10y ago
I agree with you about the bravery of women who came out with their stories and thank them for stirring this public discussion. However in the context of TFA, the campaign to make Uber employees quit is an _action_, and it still based on accusations (however credible they may sound). This sounds a whole lot like a witch hunt. In enlightened modern-day Silicon Valley, that is.

redthrowaway 10y ago

This is an insane reaction. There is literally no other charge for which "I would like to see supporting evidence of this claim" is somehow problematic.

goseeastarwar 10y ago
It's really not when you realize these aren't extraordinary claims. Those that wish to distract from the industry's systemic issues insist on evidence.
- redthrowaway 10y ago
  >Those that wish to distract from the industry's systemic issues insist on evidence. Insisting on evidence is verboten. On HN. I'm quickly growing tired of this place.
  - goseeastarwar 10y ago
    Much of this thread is people arguing this is embellished, untrue, the cost of doing business, or a conspiracy. Not to fear, I think your side of nonsense is safely represented. * the evidence pedant corrected my spelling
    - jimmywanger 10y ago
      > imbellished *embellished. > untrue We don't know whether the claims are true one way or another. What we do know for certain is that the claim has affected many people's careers and the financial success of a large company. If these claims are proven true, punish those responsible. If they're not true, punish those who harmed the lives and reputation of others.
- flukus 10y ago
  > Those that wish to distract from the industry's systemic issues insist on evidence Yes, because it would be nice to know if it really was a systemic issue before wasting time and energy fixing it. "It's totally an issue, trust me" isn't worth acting on.
  - goseeastarwar 10y ago
    How many accounts of harassment do you need to believe there's a problem, out of curiosity? Nearly every woman in the industry has a story to tell, most say nothing. You'd know that if you'd bother to speak to any.
    - flukus 10y ago
      > How many accounts of harassment do you need to believe there's a problem, out of curiosity? Zero, I'm not taking anecdotal evidence.
    - jimmywanger 10y ago
      > How many accounts of harassment do you need to believe there's a problem, out of curiosity? How many accounts of the effectiveness of homeopathy do you need to believe that it works, out of curiosity?

synicalx 10y ago

Really? How is it insulting? So if I was a woman, you'd be ok with me going to the police and saying that you stole my wallet - even though I had zero proof of that ever happening?

goseeastarwar 10y ago
A stolen wallet is just like someone putting their career on the line because of a feckless HR department. Wait, no it isn't.
- synicalx 10y ago
  Not even what I was talking about, but sure go right ahead and keep typing whatever you want. If you get around to it, feel free to answer my actual question at any time you like.
  - goseeastarwar 10y ago
    It's very simple when you realize they have everything to lose and little to gain by speaking up. I don't know how this isn't abundantly clear to anyone littering this thread with nonsense about evidence.

flukus 10y ago

How is it a huge risk? No one will remember any of their names in a week and if their allies in this thread are too be believed they can walk into a job elsewhere.

4WIW 10y ago

I agree with you about the bravery of women who came out with their stories and thank them for stirring this public discussion. However in the context of TFA, the campaign to make Uber employees quit is an _action_, and it still based on accusations (however credible they may sound). This sounds a whole lot like a witch hunt. In enlightened modern-day Silicon Valley, that is.