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Which Denmark is this? Doesn't resemble the one I live in. Neither the robberies problem nor the legal pure heroin, and most certainly not the disappearance of

Which Denmark is this? Doesn't resemble the one I live in. Neither the robberies problem nor the legal pure heroin, and most certainly not the disappearance of burglaries - not statistically, not anecdotally, and not according to the several people of my acquaintance who have had it happen to them.

goatsi 10y ago
http://sciencenordic.com/heroin-clinics-improve-addicts-lives http://sciencenordic.com/heroin-clinics-improve-addicts-live... >Reduced the number of days spent on crimes to a third Not all crime is committed by heroin addicts so the programs won't stop burglaries completely but they have been shown to dramatically reduce the amount of crimes committed by participants. http://www.citizensopposingprohibition.org/resources/swiss-heroin-assisted-treatment-1994-2009-summary/ http://www.citizensopposingprohibition.org/resources/swiss-h... >Crime Issues: 60% drop in felony crimes by patients (80% drop after one year in the program). 82% drop in patients selling heroin.
hive_mind 10y ago
In the USA, there's a fantasy Denmark that exists in the media. In the fantasy Denmark, there's no crime, all the women are hot blondes who never get fat, there's cheap weed every where (and apparently free clean heroin), the furniture is sleek, all the men are feminists who never objectify women (there's no porn), the school system is fantastic (every child is good at math), the healthcare is free and high-quality, education is universal, free and high quality, and there are plenty of jobs for everyone (and high quality ones too!). Pretty much like the rest of fantasy Europe.
- peteretep 10y ago
  > the healthcare is free and high-quality > Pretty much like the rest of fantasy > Europe. Isn't high-quality healthcare that's "free at the point of use" available in most of real Western Europe too?
  - pfortuny 10y ago
    Well, as long as you are willing to wait about six months for knee surgery, yes, it is free. Or for any other type of intervention.
    - hvidgaard 10y ago
      There is a 3 month gurantee. If they have not diagnosed you, and started treatment within that periode, you're free to go to a private clinic or hospital, free of charge.
      - dagw 10y ago
        At least in wife's case there was an additional 4 month gap between "starting treatment" and actual surgery.
        hvidgaard 10y ago
        And with expected times like that, you are entirely free to use a private hospital/clinic. Both myself and my wife have done so twice.
      - ekianjo 10y ago
        for certain conditions 3 months wait can be very serious.
        hvidgaard 10y ago
        Yes, but this is a general trentment gurantee. If you get cancer the times have to be shorter, and are shorter usually messured in weeks. It's better but still not good. If there is suspected cancer, you should get diagnosis started the same or next day, and treatment/surgery within a week.
    - seanp2k2 10y ago
      Vs in the US where specialists just tell you that your problems are chronic, are pre-existing so not covered by insurance, and that nothing can be done for you.
- laughfactory 10y ago
  You're right. That's totally the way we perceive Denmark, and pretty much the rest of Europe.
hvidgaard 10y ago
The number of burglaries is the lowest in 20 years (http://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/nyt/NytHtml?cid=20879 http://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/nyt/NytHtml?cid=20879), so you're just trying to make an argument you have no basis for. But robberies and pickpocketing are on the rise.
- interfixus 10y ago
  I am responding to the "burglaries went away" statement. Nowhere have I claimed that the numbers couldn't have fallen. Your downvote (my assumption) is uncalled for.
  - hvidgaard 10y ago
    That is entirely dependent on interpretation. Taking a comment saying "burglaries went away" at face value to mean ALL burglaries for all causes is just... diametrically opposed to any meaningful debate. Its obvious that it means drug related burglaries went away, which is a claim we have fairly good evidence to support.

goatsi 10y ago

http://sciencenordic.com/heroin-clinics-improve-addicts-lives http://sciencenordic.com/heroin-clinics-improve-addicts-live... >Reduced the number of days spent on crimes to a third Not all crime is committed by heroin addicts so the programs won't stop burglaries completely but they have been shown to dramatically reduce the amount of crimes committed by participants. http://www.citizensopposingprohibition.org/resources/swiss-heroin-assisted-treatment-1994-2009-summary/ http://www.citizensopposingprohibition.org/resources/swiss-h... >Crime Issues: 60% drop in felony crimes by patients (80% drop after one year in the program). 82% drop in patients selling heroin.

hive_mind 10y ago

In the USA, there's a fantasy Denmark that exists in the media. In the fantasy Denmark, there's no crime, all the women are hot blondes who never get fat, there's cheap weed every where (and apparently free clean heroin), the furniture is sleek, all the men are feminists who never objectify women (there's no porn), the school system is fantastic (every child is good at math), the healthcare is free and high-quality, education is universal, free and high quality, and there are plenty of jobs for everyone (and high quality ones too!). Pretty much like the rest of fantasy Europe.

peteretep 10y ago
> the healthcare is free and high-quality > Pretty much like the rest of fantasy > Europe. Isn't high-quality healthcare that's "free at the point of use" available in most of real Western Europe too?
- pfortuny 10y ago
  Well, as long as you are willing to wait about six months for knee surgery, yes, it is free. Or for any other type of intervention.
  - hvidgaard 10y ago
    There is a 3 month gurantee. If they have not diagnosed you, and started treatment within that periode, you're free to go to a private clinic or hospital, free of charge.
    - dagw 10y ago
      At least in wife's case there was an additional 4 month gap between "starting treatment" and actual surgery.
      - hvidgaard 10y ago
        And with expected times like that, you are entirely free to use a private hospital/clinic. Both myself and my wife have done so twice.
    - ekianjo 10y ago
      for certain conditions 3 months wait can be very serious.
      - hvidgaard 10y ago
        Yes, but this is a general trentment gurantee. If you get cancer the times have to be shorter, and are shorter usually messured in weeks. It's better but still not good. If there is suspected cancer, you should get diagnosis started the same or next day, and treatment/surgery within a week.
  - seanp2k2 10y ago
    Vs in the US where specialists just tell you that your problems are chronic, are pre-existing so not covered by insurance, and that nothing can be done for you.
laughfactory 10y ago
You're right. That's totally the way we perceive Denmark, and pretty much the rest of Europe.

hvidgaard 10y ago

The number of burglaries is the lowest in 20 years (http://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/nyt/NytHtml?cid=20879 http://www.dst.dk/da/Statistik/nyt/NytHtml?cid=20879), so you're just trying to make an argument you have no basis for. But robberies and pickpocketing are on the rise.

interfixus 10y ago
I am responding to the "burglaries went away" statement. Nowhere have I claimed that the numbers couldn't have fallen. Your downvote (my assumption) is uncalled for.
- hvidgaard 10y ago
  That is entirely dependent on interpretation. Taking a comment saying "burglaries went away" at face value to mean ALL burglaries for all causes is just... diametrically opposed to any meaningful debate. Its obvious that it means drug related burglaries went away, which is a claim we have fairly good evidence to support.