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Ask HN: Is the CS job market tightening?
I have been talking to some people in the industry and it seems the general sentiment is that the CS job market is waning. Is this sentiment true?
- 3pt14159 10y agoNo. It's tighten a bit for juniors, but I'm still seeing extremely high salaries for intermediates and pros.
- tedmiston 10y agoAgreed. Bootcamp grads have begun to fill but not saturate the market opportunities for entry-level positions. Mid- to senior-level opportunities are plentiful. I don't see that changing as it it requires a lot of work and experience and technical competence to reach the "advanced" level.
- Blackstone4 10y agoWhere are you based?
- supercoder 10y agoYep, it's screwed out there. The bubble has burst.
- EpicEng 10y agoDepends on what you do. If you're yet another web dev who does little more than glue together other people's code, maybe. If you have a deeper skill set I think you'll be fine.
- csnewb 10y agoWhat kind of skill set are you referencing?
- EpicEng 10y agoRobotics/instrument control, manufacturing automation, AI, image processing, computer vision, systems level stuff, large scale network/system engineering, whatever. Fields where you're solving hard problems that haven't been solved a million times already.
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- platz 10y agoHow does one bootstrap/find companies in this domain?
- bsvalley 10y agoYes it is, way too many candidates out there right now. The number of jobs hasn't changed, there are still looking for web, mobile, backend and all the basic roles. Companies have the luxury to say no to who ever the heck they want. Candidates don't get multiple offers anymore like it used to be last year so the ball is on the other side right now. Is it temporary? Maybe...
- Grangar 10y agoNot necessarily true. We've been looking for a medior frontend dev with Magento experience (any will do) for almost a year, no one to be found.
- bsvalley 10y agoThat's what happens when you move away from the standard technologies. You should look for a smart frontend dev instead who could learn a new framework easily. Search for a Frontend/php or frontend/javascript developer. You'll see the difference.
- Grangar 10y agoWe are, as well. The problem is that we currently don't have the capacity to train a new colleague. We need someone who can make a running start.
- bsvalley 10y agoThen you fall into a specific scenario where you need someone who has a very specific keyword on a Resume. There are a lot of candidates on the market right now for all the standard positions, web javascript, mobile objective-c and swift, backend NoSQL and java, etc. Which is what I was referring to.
- taurath 10y agoWhat's the difference getting a good smart person now who can bring themselves up in a month vs waiting another month (or more!) for someone with the keyword?
- nilidah 10y agoDepends on where. The junior market is tightening, but mid and senior level seem to be still fine.
- tuananh 10y agosenior level are fine everywhere i think :)
- bad-joke 10y agoAre you looking for anecdotes or data? What conclusion are you hoping to reach here?
- hackerboos 10y agoNot in Toronto. We're having a hard time filling roles.
- coralreef 10y agoIn terms of quality of programmers, volume of applications, or..?
- hackerboos 10y agoRight now a lot of our quality devs are getting poached. We rely mainly on interns coming back to join the company full time but recently we've had far more people leave than could be replaced by interns. We're lucky in the sense that most of our interns are smart folks from solid institutions such as UoT, Waterloo etc. I'm tempted to jump ship myself but I wanted to see out a project I'm working on first.
- EugeneFedotov 10y agoI personally can't get a junior level role (first job after university).
- CamonZix 10y agoWithout knowing the particulars about your situation. My best advice is to have a proven track record of being able to deliver code. Easiest way is have OSS contributions. A resume means nothing without some code to back it up
- EugeneFedotov 10y agoI do lack OSS contributions. I do have a Github (nothing too complex) with some solid code, and a few running websites. I do have great recommendations from working on a two month contract for a startup.
- spcelzrd 10y agoYou'll find lots of great advice about job hunts on HN. It can be really hard when you're getting turned down and failing tech interviews. Try to stay positive. I don't know your particular situation, but one thing to consider, find a job at a company you want to work for, even if it's not the position you want. It's sometimes easier to transfer from within.
- EugeneFedotov 10y agoI've never encountered a tech interview in any of my phone calls or on-sites. I've tried applying for QA, but got turned down on my second interview with an engineer, because they thought I would be bored, since I already had some dev experience from a two month contract. I've already sought advice. This included coffee with other HN users, and posting top threads. One is https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13726646 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13726646
- yanslookup 10y agoI don't have historical data but, anecdotally, from my current company's (smaller, though very well known) hiring practices I would not want to be a new graduate. The HR filter currently applied basically means we end up only interviewing foreign masters students from large state universities in the south. We aren't doing anything that requires a masters, the interview for our entry level positions focus purely on fundamental bachelor level CS proficiency. I'm not sure why this is but I know if it were 8 years ago my resume would never have made it through the HR filter.
- tarsinge 10y agoIn Paris in my company we have a hard time finding even junior front-end devs, salaries are rising quickly
- GFischer 10y agoDeveloper salaries in Europe are ridiculously bad, not sure about Paris specifically, but one of my in-laws moved from Vienna to San Francisco and the salary boost was ridiculous (and housing in Vienna proper is extremely expensive too, so it's not as if he moved from a cheap country). We've had developers move from Spain to Chile, and even Uruguay where I am, rather than France, so there must be some problem with salaries (they do have the advantage of the same language here of course).
- acchow 10y agoNo idea about entry level but for those already in the industry for 3+ years, it's smooth as ever.
- tonyedgecombe 10y agoWhat would you do if it was tightening? It's totally out of your control so don't worry about it. Just focus on your skills, CV, job hunting etc.
- yulaow 10y agoUntil the SV bubble does not burst the situation will remain stable (high hiring, senior roles preferred). After it is gonna be a shitshow with thousand of "previous had an high salary" devs flooding the market.
- bbrks 10y agoSeems OK here in the UK. A few years out of education and focused on Golang in which demand is outpacing supply, especially in London.