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So you're at least occasionally getting actual feedback from some of these discussions. That's quite something, actually. BTW, as to some of that "feedback":

So you're at least occasionally getting actual feedback from some of these discussions. That's quite something, actually. BTW, as to some of that "feedback": Honestly, I think the way you communicated your thought process and results was confusing for some people in the room. "Okay, pal - let's put your people up in a room full of strangers (some of whom show through their body language and/or constant phone-checking that they pretty much don't really want to be there in the first place), make them answer some made-up questions (which may or may not be coherently presented; or even particularly relevant to the job description) -- combined with the background stress of being unemployed, and/or stuck in job they absolutely HATE, and can barely stand another day of -- and see how they do." Quite honestly given your questions [about vacation policy] and the fact that you are considering other options, [we] may not be the best choice for you. Great -- so they're basically accusing you of being a slacker (not really into the work, only interested in what's in it for you, etc). Which is quite a presumptuous attitude to take in response to a perfectly reasonable question about the value proposition they're asking you to consider (a question for which it might be in better form to wait until the later stags of the negotiation process to bring up... but that's a very minor style point that you definitely shouldn't be dinged for). "Quite honestly" that attitude sucks. And you don't need to feel bad about being "rejected" by people like that.

FeatureRush 10y ago
Without context the second quote sounded to me not like an accusation of slacking but like a warning that the company is bad place to work at (poor life-work balance)...
- jlarocco 10y ago
  Completely agreed. An interaction like that during or after an interview would be a big red flag that it's not a place I want to work.
- mulmen 10y ago
  I recently asked about the "unlimited vacation" policy and received a vague answer about "establishing expectations with your manager" and then was told they went with someone else. I thought about if I should ask or not but I honestly don't understand how such a policy could be good for employees so I wanted an idea of the culture that allows it. If that question contributed to them not giving me an offer then good riddance so I don't regret asking.
  - kafkaesq 10y ago
    No need to keep asking. If your get is telling you that something's not quite with this "unlimited vacation" policy -- it's because it's a sham, basically. And everyone at the company knows it -- including and most especially, upper management. Because that's after all where it originated.
    - kafkaesq 10y ago
      EDIT: 'get' should have been 'gut'.
chronicx0 10y ago
> And you don't need to feel bad about being "rejected" by people like that. Yes you do need to feel bad. What, you keep using this excuse for every company you were rejected from? At the end of the day, without a job, who is going to pay for rent? HN and the greater tech community needs to stop encouraging clearly subpar individuals. No, not everyone deserves to work in tech just because you went to college or paid for a bootcamp. This is the harsh truth that college students and new grads fail to realize.
namelezz 10y ago
> Honestly, I think the way you communicated your thought process and results was confusing for some people in the room. Wow, get similar rejection lately: this is a fast paced company and the way you explained your thought process was confusing and might slow us down, so good luck with your job search.
- daenney 10y ago
  Did you ask them what was confusing and how it would slow them down. Did they tell you? Because ultimately if I'd hear that without anything to help me improve it's a bit of a catch-all "we don't know so out you go" kind of thing.
- kriro 10y ago
  This sounds like a pretty douchy sort of "yeah you're just not good enough, look how fast we are" jab by them. Better not answer with "Thank you very much. I also had a feeling that some people in the room lacked the mental capacity to follow my explanation." ;)
- beachbum8029 10y ago
  Reading this thread makes me want to cry. The world is filled with morons.

FeatureRush 10y ago

Without context the second quote sounded to me not like an accusation of slacking but like a warning that the company is bad place to work at (poor life-work balance)...

jlarocco 10y ago
Completely agreed. An interaction like that during or after an interview would be a big red flag that it's not a place I want to work.
mulmen 10y ago
I recently asked about the "unlimited vacation" policy and received a vague answer about "establishing expectations with your manager" and then was told they went with someone else. I thought about if I should ask or not but I honestly don't understand how such a policy could be good for employees so I wanted an idea of the culture that allows it. If that question contributed to them not giving me an offer then good riddance so I don't regret asking.
- kafkaesq 10y ago
  No need to keep asking. If your get is telling you that something's not quite with this "unlimited vacation" policy -- it's because it's a sham, basically. And everyone at the company knows it -- including and most especially, upper management. Because that's after all where it originated.
  - kafkaesq 10y ago
    EDIT: 'get' should have been 'gut'.

chronicx0 10y ago

> And you don't need to feel bad about being "rejected" by people like that. Yes you do need to feel bad. What, you keep using this excuse for every company you were rejected from? At the end of the day, without a job, who is going to pay for rent? HN and the greater tech community needs to stop encouraging clearly subpar individuals. No, not everyone deserves to work in tech just because you went to college or paid for a bootcamp. This is the harsh truth that college students and new grads fail to realize.

namelezz 10y ago

> Honestly, I think the way you communicated your thought process and results was confusing for some people in the room. Wow, get similar rejection lately: this is a fast paced company and the way you explained your thought process was confusing and might slow us down, so good luck with your job search.

daenney 10y ago
Did you ask them what was confusing and how it would slow them down. Did they tell you? Because ultimately if I'd hear that without anything to help me improve it's a bit of a catch-all "we don't know so out you go" kind of thing.
kriro 10y ago
This sounds like a pretty douchy sort of "yeah you're just not good enough, look how fast we are" jab by them. Better not answer with "Thank you very much. I also had a feeling that some people in the room lacked the mental capacity to follow my explanation." ;)
beachbum8029 10y ago
Reading this thread makes me want to cry. The world is filled with morons.