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>I know that our budgets are already creaking under the load of our spending and entitlement programs You are welcome to cut my social security and medicate "e

>I know that our budgets are already creaking under the load of our spending and entitlement programs You are welcome to cut my social security and medicate "entitlements" but I've been paying into them for 20 years so be prepared to write me a check for every penny taken from me. Its not an "entitlement" if I've been forced to pay into it for decades. I would be very careful with that word if I was you as its politically charged. Also the idea that "just throw more money" at a problem is tempting but often wrong. It won't bring some utopia it'll just bring a lot of grant chasers going after bureaucrats who need to get rid of the money. Is there evidence the sciences are actually underfunded? By what measure? And which research specifically. Also the "cant have 9 women make a baby in 1 month" truism applies. Throwing more resources at something doesn't necessarily lead to the outcome you expect. "Throw more money" at things shouldn't be an unquestionable truth. We did this with college loans and now college is unbelievably expensive and education outcomes questionable, especially since we saw the equivalent of 'grant chasers' in education in the form of diploma mills.

hackuser 10y ago
> "Throw more money" at things shouldn't be an unquestionable truth. We did this with college loans and now college is unbelievably expensive I think that's not the cause. I've seen research showing that tuition increases are strongly correlated with cuts in government funding for higher education.
- drzaiusapelord 10y ago
  If there's some government program that hands out up to x amount of dollars for product y, then product y will quickly cost x amount of dollars.Education cuts have nothing to do with this. If anything colleges are rolling in money. If they aren't providing resources needed for their staff, then thats something staff needs to take up with the college. Blaming the government because these colleges just keep dumping money into their vast endowments is fairly ridiculous. Gutting my medicare and social security to preserve endowments is asinine. https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/staff_reports/sr733.pdf https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/staff... https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2015/07/13/financial-aid-helps-colleges-more-than-students/#5d586e20693f https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2015/07/13/finan... http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/09/08/student_loans_drive_up_college_costs_what_should_we_do_about_it.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/09/08/student_loans...
  - hackuser 10y ago
    Those are interesting theories, but do you have any support for these statements? They don't match what I understand, the facts (taxpayer support for higher education has has been cut widely), and what research I've seen shows. EDIT: Regarding the links you added (thanks): * The Slate article says, based on a study, it might be possible that student loan availability could be increasing the cost of college, but it's only a possibility. The article also says that among the biggest culprits are for-profit institutions and advocates blanket funding of higher education as a solution, a la Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. * The New York Fed link is to the study covered by the Slate article. * The Forbes page doesn't want to load. I don't see that as backing much of the parent comment. Also I'll note that a great proportion of funding for higher education is not via student loans, but taxpayer funding for research and for public universities and colleges.
acheron 10y ago
>You are welcome to cut my social security and medicate "entitlements" but I've been paying into them for 20 years so be prepared to write me a check for every penny taken from me. Its not an "entitlement" if I've been forced to pay into it for decades. Yeah, that's not how it works. Your money is gone and isn't coming back, and the Supreme Court ruled that you have literally zero right to anything. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemming_v._Nestor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemming_v._Nestor )

hackuser 10y ago

> "Throw more money" at things shouldn't be an unquestionable truth. We did this with college loans and now college is unbelievably expensive I think that's not the cause. I've seen research showing that tuition increases are strongly correlated with cuts in government funding for higher education.

drzaiusapelord 10y ago
If there's some government program that hands out up to x amount of dollars for product y, then product y will quickly cost x amount of dollars.Education cuts have nothing to do with this. If anything colleges are rolling in money. If they aren't providing resources needed for their staff, then thats something staff needs to take up with the college. Blaming the government because these colleges just keep dumping money into their vast endowments is fairly ridiculous. Gutting my medicare and social security to preserve endowments is asinine. https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/staff_reports/sr733.pdf https://www.newyorkfed.org/medialibrary/media/research/staff... https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2015/07/13/financial-aid-helps-colleges-more-than-students/#5d586e20693f https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2015/07/13/finan... http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/09/08/student_loans_drive_up_college_costs_what_should_we_do_about_it.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2015/09/08/student_loans...
- hackuser 10y ago
  Those are interesting theories, but do you have any support for these statements? They don't match what I understand, the facts (taxpayer support for higher education has has been cut widely), and what research I've seen shows. EDIT: Regarding the links you added (thanks): * The Slate article says, based on a study, it might be possible that student loan availability could be increasing the cost of college, but it's only a possibility. The article also says that among the biggest culprits are for-profit institutions and advocates blanket funding of higher education as a solution, a la Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. * The New York Fed link is to the study covered by the Slate article. * The Forbes page doesn't want to load. I don't see that as backing much of the parent comment. Also I'll note that a great proportion of funding for higher education is not via student loans, but taxpayer funding for research and for public universities and colleges.

acheron 10y ago

>You are welcome to cut my social security and medicate "entitlements" but I've been paying into them for 20 years so be prepared to write me a check for every penny taken from me. Its not an "entitlement" if I've been forced to pay into it for decades. Yeah, that's not how it works. Your money is gone and isn't coming back, and the Supreme Court ruled that you have literally zero right to anything. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemming_v._Nestor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemming_v._Nestor )