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I would argue that: 1) Zenefits having software tools to specifically skirt state laws about employee certification requirements 2) Theranos lying about clini

by mikekij 10y ago

I would argue that: 1) Zenefits having software tools to specifically skirt state laws about employee certification requirements 2) Theranos lying about clinical results 3) Nant misrepresenting order data to their shareholders 4) Uber having a set of formalized HR processes that facilitate the sexual harassment of female employees all go beyond "naughty". Plus, I don't think that PG would be excited about the financial impacts that each of those behaviors have had on the respective companies' share prices if he were a shareholder in those companies.

burkaman 10y ago
I think the issue is "they delight in breaking rules". Why delight in it? There's a big difference between "I'm willing to break minor rules when I have to" and "I enjoy being naughty for its own sake". I suspect its a lot easier to break big rules when you're having fun breaking small ones.
- xapata 10y ago
  > I suspect its a lot easier to break big rules when you're having fun breaking small ones. That sounds plausible, but I suspect the correlation is very weak. Most people follow rules in a bizarrely idiosyncratic and context-sensitive fashion. For example, taking the escalator when going to the gym to use the stair-master.
  - iopq 10y ago
    Most people don't bat an eye about crossing in the middle of a small street. It's technically against the law, but hey.
    - echaozh 10y ago
      But is it fun? What rules are fun to break?
      - xapata 10y ago
        You've never tried a petty rebellion as a kid? It's fun. Even as an adult, you can get a thrill by calling in sick and going out. There's a reason we love to watch crime dramas.
gpawl 10y ago
The advice is equivalent to "we want your break the rules, but don't get caught". It's encouraging misbehavior while trying to distance from the consequences.
komali2 10y ago
I think with Uber the "naughty" could be more that they'd set up shop in countries without e-taxi regulation set up, skirt around taxi laws, and become too big and valued by the community before the government would have time to react.
vecinu 10y ago
> 4) Uber having a set of formalized HR processes that facilitate the sexual harassment of female employees Is this publicly available information? First time I hear of it.
gozur88 10y ago
You're overstating the case on #4.
- dnautics 10y ago
  Agreed. Would you accept: uber having a set of informal HR processes that fail to protect employees from persistent harassment
dublidu 10y ago
I really don't understand why Zenefit's script was such a big deal. Have you ever had to sit through a bunch of slides and be forced to spend x hours staring at something you can speed read through in minutes? The regulations didn't care about testing real knowledge, just time spent on the module. Anyone with a slight bit of naughtiness will hack around this.

by mikekij 10y ago

burkaman 10y ago

I think the issue is "they delight in breaking rules". Why delight in it? There's a big difference between "I'm willing to break minor rules when I have to" and "I enjoy being naughty for its own sake". I suspect its a lot easier to break big rules when you're having fun breaking small ones.

xapata 10y ago
> I suspect its a lot easier to break big rules when you're having fun breaking small ones. That sounds plausible, but I suspect the correlation is very weak. Most people follow rules in a bizarrely idiosyncratic and context-sensitive fashion. For example, taking the escalator when going to the gym to use the stair-master.
- iopq 10y ago
  Most people don't bat an eye about crossing in the middle of a small street. It's technically against the law, but hey.
  - echaozh 10y ago
    But is it fun? What rules are fun to break?
    - xapata 10y ago
      You've never tried a petty rebellion as a kid? It's fun. Even as an adult, you can get a thrill by calling in sick and going out. There's a reason we love to watch crime dramas.

gpawl 10y ago

The advice is equivalent to "we want your break the rules, but don't get caught". It's encouraging misbehavior while trying to distance from the consequences.

komali2 10y ago

I think with Uber the "naughty" could be more that they'd set up shop in countries without e-taxi regulation set up, skirt around taxi laws, and become too big and valued by the community before the government would have time to react.

vecinu 10y ago

> 4) Uber having a set of formalized HR processes that facilitate the sexual harassment of female employees Is this publicly available information? First time I hear of it.

gozur88 10y ago

You're overstating the case on #4.

dnautics 10y ago
Agreed. Would you accept: uber having a set of informal HR processes that fail to protect employees from persistent harassment

dublidu 10y ago

I really don't understand why Zenefit's script was such a big deal. Have you ever had to sit through a bunch of slides and be forced to spend x hours staring at something you can speed read through in minutes? The regulations didn't care about testing real knowledge, just time spent on the module. Anyone with a slight bit of naughtiness will hack around this.