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Go ahead and start one of these businesses in the US and UK and see how long you last. There are several reasons why this happens mostly in India, but the main

Go ahead and start one of these businesses in the US and UK and see how long you last. There are several reasons why this happens mostly in India, but the main one is that there's a jurisdiction barrier that benefits criminals. We know the voip resellers know who these customers are, and law enforcement finds out through these providers, but now what? You can't just call the Indian embassy and demand the arrest of hundreds of people. There's a lot of diplomatic finesse that needs to happen and by the time it does, assuming its even possible, these groups have moved on to different locations, different providers, different staff, etc after cashing out. Worse, India is notoriously corrupt, much like Russia, another hotbed of cybercrime, so sharing your cybercrime spoils with the local government goes a long to to prosecution immunity. I understand HN has a lot of prideful India and Russian nationals, but ultimately one shouldn't go against the facts. Pretending these countries aren't safe havens for cybercrime is just asinine.

willvarfar 10y ago
And there I was thinking it was because english-speaking staff are cheap? These days most IT jobs are being outsourced from India to e.g. Vietnam, with project management and customer interaction still being done by proxy in English by Indians.
fellellor 10y ago
The most important reason this seems to happen only in India is that the victims are not in India. So they have to go through their local government and multiple slow processes for the case to be resolved. The unfortunate fact is the prevailing exchange rate difference makes even relatively ordinary western citizens' assets, worth stealing for criminals based here. Also I imagine, such people when defrauded are not in a position to force their authorities to go after criminals not in the same jurisdiction. Or maybe you are suggesting that people from UK are so inherently good that they don't cheat each other at all.

willvarfar 10y ago

And there I was thinking it was because english-speaking staff are cheap? These days most IT jobs are being outsourced from India to e.g. Vietnam, with project management and customer interaction still being done by proxy in English by Indians.

fellellor 10y ago

The most important reason this seems to happen only in India is that the victims are not in India. So they have to go through their local government and multiple slow processes for the case to be resolved. The unfortunate fact is the prevailing exchange rate difference makes even relatively ordinary western citizens' assets, worth stealing for criminals based here. Also I imagine, such people when defrauded are not in a position to force their authorities to go after criminals not in the same jurisdiction. Or maybe you are suggesting that people from UK are so inherently good that they don't cheat each other at all.