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The study looked at members of high-iq societies and alumni from elite universities primarily, which is going to select for a disproportionate amount of people

by adrusi 10y ago

The study looked at members of high-iq societies and alumni from elite universities primarily, which is going to select for a disproportionate amount of people who consider their high-iq important to their personalities. Intuitively, I'd expect high IQ to be correlated with narcissism, and in this group even more so. Narcissists are going to be more likely to commit crimes.

JoeAltmaier 10y ago
A little searching and I don't see any evidence that IQ is related to narcissism. That seems intuitive to me - narcissism is unrelated to the real world, they don't have to be actually better than anybody to believe they are.
- a_name 10y ago
  narcissism is currently an 'in' word. It's fashionable to name your exes and others as narcissists, and justifies why your actions/feelings against others.
- DFHippie 10y ago
  The claim is that membership in high IQ societies, not high IQ itself, correlates with narcissism.
stagbeetle 10y ago
> elite universities primarily, which is going to select for a disproportionate amount of people who consider their high-iq important to their personalities As someone who's been around this scene, the kids from these unis are surprisingly down to earth.
- da02 10y ago
  Can you go into more detail? Any patterns ypu observed? (It would be a nice departure from the depressing stuff I normally read.)
  - stagbeetle 10y ago
    Sure. The HPY crowd is ridiculously different from any other uni environment. The kids are happy, very open, and hopeful. I don't think I can do this sort of energy justice, but if you get a chance, go onto one of the campuses and have a chat with any student. You'll know what I'm talking about. Work's still hard, but they seem to enjoy it. They seem fulfilled. The stories about the rich microcosm are not as widespread as they've been made out. Do you have anything else in mind? Some specific part you're unsure about?
    - da02 10y ago
      Thanks for the info.It sounds a lot like the students from NHK World's "First Class" series: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/firstclass/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/firstclass/ I thought maybe they just cherry-picked students, but I guess not. Everything you said backed it up. I ask because I'm just curious about things in different cultures and social circles. (And to destroy any stereotypes I might unintentionally believe in.)
      - stagbeetle 10y ago
        > NHK World's "First Class" series: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/firstclass/* https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/firstclass/* Thanks for mentioning this. I just looked through some of the First Class* series on YouTube, and other NHK shows, and it looks both pleasant and very interesting. I can see myself watching this regularly.
- FabHK 10y ago
  I'd say it's a mixed bag. You have a good number of very entitled people, particularly among legacy admissions and undergrads that go there primarily for their career. But yes, people who go their primarily to study (often grad students or international students) can be very down to earth. Frankly, I'd expect more narcissistic or mentally unstable people in high-IQ clubs (though two fellow students at university were at some point placed in the closed psychiatric ward).

by adrusi 10y ago

JoeAltmaier 10y ago

A little searching and I don't see any evidence that IQ is related to narcissism. That seems intuitive to me - narcissism is unrelated to the real world, they don't have to be actually better than anybody to believe they are.

a_name 10y ago
narcissism is currently an 'in' word. It's fashionable to name your exes and others as narcissists, and justifies why your actions/feelings against others.
DFHippie 10y ago
The claim is that membership in high IQ societies, not high IQ itself, correlates with narcissism.

stagbeetle 10y ago

> elite universities primarily, which is going to select for a disproportionate amount of people who consider their high-iq important to their personalities As someone who's been around this scene, the kids from these unis are surprisingly down to earth.

da02 10y ago
Can you go into more detail? Any patterns ypu observed? (It would be a nice departure from the depressing stuff I normally read.)
- stagbeetle 10y ago
  Sure. The HPY crowd is ridiculously different from any other uni environment. The kids are happy, very open, and hopeful. I don't think I can do this sort of energy justice, but if you get a chance, go onto one of the campuses and have a chat with any student. You'll know what I'm talking about. Work's still hard, but they seem to enjoy it. They seem fulfilled. The stories about the rich microcosm are not as widespread as they've been made out. Do you have anything else in mind? Some specific part you're unsure about?
  - da02 10y ago
    Thanks for the info.It sounds a lot like the students from NHK World's "First Class" series: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/firstclass/ https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/firstclass/ I thought maybe they just cherry-picked students, but I guess not. Everything you said backed it up. I ask because I'm just curious about things in different cultures and social circles. (And to destroy any stereotypes I might unintentionally believe in.)
    - stagbeetle 10y ago
      > NHK World's "First Class" series: https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/firstclass/* https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/tv/firstclass/* Thanks for mentioning this. I just looked through some of the First Class* series on YouTube, and other NHK shows, and it looks both pleasant and very interesting. I can see myself watching this regularly.
FabHK 10y ago
I'd say it's a mixed bag. You have a good number of very entitled people, particularly among legacy admissions and undergrads that go there primarily for their career. But yes, people who go their primarily to study (often grad students or international students) can be very down to earth. Frankly, I'd expect more narcissistic or mentally unstable people in high-IQ clubs (though two fellow students at university were at some point placed in the closed psychiatric ward).