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Okta Acquires Stormpath

40 points by rdegges 10y ago

andersonk 10y ago
The downside is that Okta pricing (https://www.okta.com/pricing/ https://www.okta.com/pricing/) appears to be per User, instead of usage based (per API call) the way Stormpath is. This will make a migration much tougher. Auth0 appears to have better pricing imho (https://auth0.com/pricing https://auth0.com/pricing).
- alexsalazar 10y ago
  Alex (Stormpath CEO) here - we're working on self-service developer pricing for Okta. We're announcing the news before pricing was baked so our customers and users could have as much transparency as we could offer, as early as we could offer it. I'm a big believer in clear, transparent pricing that works for all customers. Please stay tuned.
  - andersonk 10y ago
    Thanks Alex, I appreciate that. Is it your plan to launch self-service pricing prior to the API shutdown at Stormpath? I'm hoping yes so that it is as painless as possible.
    - alexsalazar 10y ago
      Yes. It's currently my highest priority and we're making good progress. It won't be perfect of course but it will be a good first start. I don't have a date for you, though, but our goal is ASAP.
- brokenwren 10y ago
  Don't forget about Passport. It has solid pricing and more features than most of the APIs out there. (https://www.inversoft.com/products/identity-user-management https://www.inversoft.com/products/identity-user-management). Even though Passport is per user, the prices are much better than Okta.
outwork 10y ago
Congrats to both teams. As a side note, last summer my startup joined Angelpad's accelerator program.. during that time I reached out to @alexsalazar with a laundry list of questions about B2D sales strategy and how he was thinking about the difference and similarities to a traditional b2b sales team structure. He was incredibly supportive and willing to share knowledge and his experience! Thanks again Alex!
- alexsalazar 10y ago
  You're welcome! Always happy to help. Startup is hard work, gotta pay it fwd. :) Good luck with Outwork!
jamier1978 10y ago
According to the FAQ they will be shutting down the Stormpath API in 6 months. https://stormpath.com/oktaplusstormpath https://stormpath.com/oktaplusstormpath FAQ also says you will need to export your data from SP and, presumably, manually import it in to Okta. If thats the case its going to be hard to do it without end user disruption.
- rdegges 10y ago
  Heyo! I work on this process @ Stormpath / Okta. It will largely be an automated process in two stages: export then import. You'll be able to do multiple exports / imports, so you can continue running in production on Stormpath while testing on Okta. The flow is pretty simple: export your Stormpath data (no interruption), import to Okta, test, then when you're ready to go 'live': export from Stormpath again and pause servers, import to Okta again (to get new things added), and switch code to run against Okta. We'll be releasing more details soon.
TheCuriousCoder 10y ago
I was not please when I saw the answer to this FAQ question: Can I use a Stormpath SDKs (like Java, C#, and Node.js) with Okta? We are not migrating the Stormpath SDKs to work with the Okta API. Together with the Okta team, we will develop robust, new SDKs for the Okta API, but these may not be available before Stormpath is shut down. Okta has a REST API that provides functionality similar to the Stormpath API. This can be used in the interim while new Okta SDKs are being developed. It doesn't make any sense not to have the SDKs available long before the shutdown date.
- chunsaker 10y ago
  While we are not porting the SDKs, we are targeting end of April for framework integrations, so most Stormpath users can migrate with a pretty simple version upgrade. Most users are working with these and not our base SDKs. We are prioritizing: Java Spring Java Spring Boot Node Express ASP.NET 4.x ASP.NET Core
  - andersonk 10y ago
    Please make sure your Spring Cloud Zuul + Juiser integration has a migration path too. Thanks!
    - chunsaker 10y ago
      This makes me wish there was a <love> button on HN. I have shared your request with Les.
  - TheCuriousCoder 10y ago
    When can we expect a base SDK for Node.js? I am currently using both the Express SDK as well as the base Node.js SDK.
    - rdegges 10y ago
      We don't have official timelines for this, but we'll be working on these as soon as the integrations get finished.
robotdan 10y ago
What are the on premise alternatives? Not sure I want to move all my users to Okta just get burned again with a deprecated cloud API.
- brokenwren 10y ago
  Passport (https://www.inversoft.com/products/identity-user-management https://www.inversoft.com/products/identity-user-management) provides an on-premise option as well as a private-cloud solution (single tenant). This helps you protect your data but also prevent issues like the API being shut-down.
jacko211 10y ago
Sounds like a great strategy. If you can't beat them, just join them :)

40 points by rdegges 10y ago

The downside is that Okta pricing (https://www.okta.com/pricing/ https://www.okta.com/pricing/) appears to be per User, instead of usage based (per API call) the way Stormpath is. This will make a migration much tougher. Auth0 appears to have better pricing imho (https://auth0.com/pricing https://auth0.com/pricing).

alexsalazar 10y ago
Alex (Stormpath CEO) here - we're working on self-service developer pricing for Okta. We're announcing the news before pricing was baked so our customers and users could have as much transparency as we could offer, as early as we could offer it. I'm a big believer in clear, transparent pricing that works for all customers. Please stay tuned.
- andersonk 10y ago
  Thanks Alex, I appreciate that. Is it your plan to launch self-service pricing prior to the API shutdown at Stormpath? I'm hoping yes so that it is as painless as possible.
  - alexsalazar 10y ago
    Yes. It's currently my highest priority and we're making good progress. It won't be perfect of course but it will be a good first start. I don't have a date for you, though, but our goal is ASAP.
brokenwren 10y ago
Don't forget about Passport. It has solid pricing and more features than most of the APIs out there. (https://www.inversoft.com/products/identity-user-management https://www.inversoft.com/products/identity-user-management). Even though Passport is per user, the prices are much better than Okta.

outwork 10y ago

Congrats to both teams. As a side note, last summer my startup joined Angelpad's accelerator program.. during that time I reached out to @alexsalazar with a laundry list of questions about B2D sales strategy and how he was thinking about the difference and similarities to a traditional b2b sales team structure. He was incredibly supportive and willing to share knowledge and his experience! Thanks again Alex!

alexsalazar 10y ago
You're welcome! Always happy to help. Startup is hard work, gotta pay it fwd. :) Good luck with Outwork!

jamier1978 10y ago

According to the FAQ they will be shutting down the Stormpath API in 6 months. https://stormpath.com/oktaplusstormpath https://stormpath.com/oktaplusstormpath FAQ also says you will need to export your data from SP and, presumably, manually import it in to Okta. If thats the case its going to be hard to do it without end user disruption.

rdegges 10y ago
Heyo! I work on this process @ Stormpath / Okta. It will largely be an automated process in two stages: export then import. You'll be able to do multiple exports / imports, so you can continue running in production on Stormpath while testing on Okta. The flow is pretty simple: export your Stormpath data (no interruption), import to Okta, test, then when you're ready to go 'live': export from Stormpath again and pause servers, import to Okta again (to get new things added), and switch code to run against Okta. We'll be releasing more details soon.

TheCuriousCoder 10y ago

I was not please when I saw the answer to this FAQ question: Can I use a Stormpath SDKs (like Java, C#, and Node.js) with Okta? We are not migrating the Stormpath SDKs to work with the Okta API. Together with the Okta team, we will develop robust, new SDKs for the Okta API, but these may not be available before Stormpath is shut down. Okta has a REST API that provides functionality similar to the Stormpath API. This can be used in the interim while new Okta SDKs are being developed. It doesn't make any sense not to have the SDKs available long before the shutdown date.

chunsaker 10y ago
While we are not porting the SDKs, we are targeting end of April for framework integrations, so most Stormpath users can migrate with a pretty simple version upgrade. Most users are working with these and not our base SDKs. We are prioritizing: Java Spring Java Spring Boot Node Express ASP.NET 4.x ASP.NET Core
- andersonk 10y ago
  Please make sure your Spring Cloud Zuul + Juiser integration has a migration path too. Thanks!
  - chunsaker 10y ago
    This makes me wish there was a <love> button on HN. I have shared your request with Les.
- TheCuriousCoder 10y ago
  When can we expect a base SDK for Node.js? I am currently using both the Express SDK as well as the base Node.js SDK.
  - rdegges 10y ago
    We don't have official timelines for this, but we'll be working on these as soon as the integrations get finished.

robotdan 10y ago

What are the on premise alternatives? Not sure I want to move all my users to Okta just get burned again with a deprecated cloud API.

brokenwren 10y ago
Passport (https://www.inversoft.com/products/identity-user-management https://www.inversoft.com/products/identity-user-management) provides an on-premise option as well as a private-cloud solution (single tenant). This helps you protect your data but also prevent issues like the API being shut-down.

jacko211 10y ago

Sounds like a great strategy. If you can't beat them, just join them :)